because you think its more fun, because you think it leads to higher winrates, or it’s a rule to not have them?
A lot of this meshes with what I do. But I believe fully in putting things on the table to be turned over and discussed, which seems to be a major point of disagreement.
It’s a rule. Not all the time, but it’s a common mechanic, bordering on default. I enjoy the part of the game that strictly relies on player-content analysis the most. My favorite role is vanilla town.
So I guess it’s a rule because some of us think it’s more fun. But the site has expanded a lot in recent years and is open to incorporating all sorts of new things.
mine too! (r.e. favorite role)
think would be interesting to play without claims but people would have to be into the spirit of it. My “research” interest mafia-wise nowadays is how to make a scoring system that supports what I think is intuitively true but that’s a story for another castle.
Yeah I had a few years of experimenting either way and I decided honest discussion tends to lower results (again, treating alignments in a vacuum). I promise I didn’t reach my current conclusions without seriously trying the alternatives for a few years.
I also think percentages play a vitally important role since most things you measure with the list of stuff you can reduce to data isn’t going to be 100% or not and reads are more or less only reads if you compare them to random so there’s already a sense of what the baseline is.
My brain does not operate on mathematical system. Seeking to calculate the most likely outcome of a game isn’t going to work for me, and I also don’t think I’d have fun doing that.
That is not to say I don’t think it can be an effective approach for others. I believe there are many ways to arrive at the correct results. My approach thrives on open communication.
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Ellibereth (1): UFOFever
UFO Fever (1): Sloonei
Not Voting (5): DoggoPlays, Fatmo, Ellibereth, M2H, kimpossible
Ftr, this is Fatmo. He starts to shine D2 once he has stuff to work with from D1.
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One last thing I’ll say about the Ellibereth play style here: I don’t think it works if literally everyone actually plays like Elli does, because then what data does the Elli Computer have to work with?
Anyway. I’m going to vote VOTE: M2H for now because I’m going to trust Chess on listening to Elli until I have a reason not to, and everyone else seems townie to me.
Clarification: trust Chess that I should listen to Elli, which means not voting Elli or Doggo.
Btw: where I play, editing posts is absolutely verboten because we don’t have a way to see the history of what was changed. I did notice here that Elli edited a post. I take it that’s fair play on this site? My default behavior is to just post a correction.
Edits for grammar and typos and to fix broken tags are allowed, don’t edit for content.
In theory if everyone is playing optimally the game is equivalent to random yeah? Luckily for us most people don’t play optimally so it’s more so about exploiting suboptimal lines while being minimally exploitable.
Town would rarely win if all of its members played the same way.
I don’t love this vote unless you can tell me a reason why M2H deserves it based on something that M2H said.
No, but I don’t especially need you to love the vote. I’ve already given my reasons for it. I would have preferred to vote Doggo, but I’m yielding to my Neighbor’s advice on Ellibereth.
So out of the remaining 5 players you could have chosen from, why did you choose M2H? What makes them a better vote than me, Doggo, Elli, UFO, and Fatmo?
You appear to be deliberately ignoring what I’ve already told you. Why are you still asking me why I’m not voting Elli or Doggo when I’ve told you twice? Why are you assuming anything has changed since the reads I gave you last night?
Because I am starving for there to be any sort of discussion at all in this thread. And because that’s not really what I am asking you. I will rephrase my question: Why have you singled out M2H as the recipient of your vote right now? What compels you to read him as scum, or all the rest as town? What has M2H done in this game specifically to warrant a vote?
It’s not really about what M2H has done. Elli and Doggo are off the table because I’m trusting Chess, which means trusting Elli. Chess and I actually also both agree Fatmo is town. I felt a townread on him to begin with, and Chess said post #19 in particular struck him as very townie.
So my pool is you, UFO, and M2H. UFO is playing in a way I see as very genuine for him, which for me merits him a townread. You at least are generating discussion and I have thought so far that it seemed town-positive. That leaves me with M2H, who hasn’t done anything that’s made me think “town” and therefore is at the bottom of my list.
Right now I’m starting to wonder about you though, because this doesn’t seem productive. I don’t know what further information you’re expecting from me – I was very straightforward about why I was voting. You’re looking for a deeper “Why?” that doesn’t exist. You’re saying you want discussion, but I have nothing more to give you here that’s going to be meaningful. So this could be a version of scum busywork – looking like you’re doing work when it isn’t actually serving a purpose.
POE is good and I appreciate its application here. The next step should be finding a definitive reason to cal M2H scum. I say that for my own sake as much as yours: this thread is very stagnant right now. We have had almost zero genuine accusations being made in here. It’s agonizing, Kimberly Possible. I propose we go and ISO M2H and see what we can find.
I would gladly let this thread stay idle if I was bad. And I think this paragraph is rendered moot by the above explication: you did provide information which satisfies me. Even if a lot of it is being restated, I like to have things fresh and immediately available. I do my best work in direct interactions like this one. I now know how you are feeling at this exact moment. Hooray.