We’ve been thinking of ways to thank you guys for being the first members of our community and helping us through our growing pains. You guys will definitely be getting a special badge (any design suggestions for this?), but we wanted to do more.
For a limited time - members of mafia451 can submit a mafia game they played (from any site!) along with any questions they have about it to me, fferyllt, or chesskid. We’ll read through it (hopefully fairly promptly!) and post/send back some analysis, answers to questions, and some advice that’ll hopefully help you out.
To participate:
Post the game you want us to look at in the topic along with questions or things you want us to look at in particular (one game per user please!). Choose one of {Ellibereth, fferyllt, chesskid} if desired.(Choosing “Anyone” and letting us choose is an option). If one of us is getting too many requests relative to others that person as an option may be temporarily “closed”.
We’ll look through it and send back some detailed analysis and advice as soon as we can. We’ll default to posting the response in the topic and notifying you through private message that it’s up. (We want to show off what we’re doing!) If you don’t want the analysis in public let us know and we’ll only send you a pm.
Great Offer.
But I am of two minds about it.
It’s a bit like people watching me work, I hate it, I wonder if I would hate the critic of my play…
I also wonder because am not an intellectual gamer, I play by intituition, by what ‘feels’ rght.
But??? (shrug icon) I’ll bite, Be interested to know fferyllts analysis of the game I just played as a Nnja Scum Treestump.
Or are the games meant to be from elsewhere that did not nvolve the analysis?
Here you go! Please let me know if there is anything in this write-up that you’d like me to provide more detail for.
The 2-day scum treestump role was meant to be a challenge in the way that most negative utility roles are challenging. As you played the game, I wonder if you thought about how you would have approached the role if you were town.
I think that’s a good place to start in discussing how to play a scum janitored treestump - what would optimal play have been if you were town with this role?
Janitored flips are negative utility. I think approaching the role like being a miller would make a lot of sense if you had been town. A miller who has no other component to their role usually claims (or at least crumbs) early on Day 1 - preferably in their first post. From there, playing as transparently town as possible is the usual strategy. I think the same strategy makes a lot of sense for a town player who knows their flip will be janitored.
This was your day 1 claim:
And you revealed you would be janitored almost two weeks later, on Day 3.
As scum, the initial decision with this kind of role is whether to play it as though town and claim early, or to plan on never revealing the janitored aspect while you’re alive. If you wanted to be treated as likely town after dying, then you would need to either full claim early, or act surprised at hell (and pissed off at your mod!) when you didn’t flip. That would take some serious acting, and has a reasonable probability of failure even if you acted your heart out.
Being a treestump also muddies the water a little, but it comes down to if you’ll want to continue pretending to be town after dying. The danger is always that the more you post about the game and your thoughts and pretend-reads, the more clues you’ll leave about who is town and who your partners are.
One alternative to pretending to be town is to just troll the hell out of the game after dying, up to and including spamming the thread, and throwing out tons of false associations and leaving mass confusion about whether anything you spammed was true or not.
Given infiniscroll, I’m relieved you didn’t choose the second option, though it would have been a legitimate strategy!
In hindsight, I thought your Day 1 play was mostly effective in getting you out of the spotlight for a bit. You were run up, but your interactions with your team were pretty robust. Although you didn’t help lynch beeboy, your behaviors around his wagon didn’t look overtly partner-ish to me. You interacted with Srceenplay fairly often on day 1 and those interactions mostly looked non-partner, too. I thought you came off a little too automatic in the way you followed up with players and kept asking for lynch reasons as day 1 progressed. You asked a lot of questions, but didn’t seem to care about the answers. You claimed treestump when you were under some early lynch pressure, but didn’t mention that you wouldn’t flip immediately in your claim post. This made you more suspicious-looking when you did add it to your claim. It might have eventually led to your lynch anyway if you had claimed it all at once, but it would have been a lynch based mostly on mechanics, rather than on scumreading you. But, an unforced claim early in the game would probably have been townread in much the way that millers are often treated as basically named townies. The point at which you claimed, with 4 votes on you was unremarkable in plurality lynch situations. Typically with majority lynch rules players claim at L-1 (majority-1) or L-2 if the game seems to be moving really fast.
It seemed inevitable that you would be lynched at some point, but that point took quite a while to arrive. Day 2’s gladiator theater assured that you would make it at least to day 3.
You cased Ellibereth a couple times during the game but always seemed waffly about whether he was scum or not. And your cases on Ellibereth seemed kinda shallow, and many of your points applied to other players as much as to him. So, your focus on Elli looked like it was more about him pushing you than about a genuine push on him.
The tone of your posts to Ellibereth about why wasn’t he ok with dying when you were ok with it didn’t come off to me like you were sincerely suspicious of him for it. It felt more like a straight-up discredit. Similarly, your posts about Elli being suspicious for initially wanting to lynch pyx before pushing for a no-lynch. There wasn’t a compelling explanation for why changing his mind was scummy.
Given that Elli felt that lynching you regardless of alignment was necessary, and he pushed the hardest for your lynch, I’m curious if he would have felt the same way if you had taken a more miller-like approach to your role.
I think your playstyle probably wouldn’t mesh well with attempting this, but you could have gone all-in to try and derail beeboy’s day 1 lynch. It would probably have been seen as too audacious to be a save-attempt on a partner.
As soon as I voted Elli I knew I had made a mistake.
Lapse in concentration.
So was thinking Ellie and making it obvous I thought Ellie was the N1 kill cause I knew he was.
So yeah, I made some mistakes.
Anyway, all very interesting @fferyllt thank you muchly, I will take it on board.
Holy shit this thread is so cool and I’m so impressed by the amount of effort ffery put in to make this first analysis!! But it’s so much work I wonder if it is even sustainable at all…
I am a self assured player so I won’t be using this for advice but I’m interested in game comments of some games but I also don’t want to waste fferys time because good god this is so high quality that I think someone who really needs the help should use the resources instead
just to populate this thread and make it interesting… though I don’t want to waste too much of fferys time to make such an indepth writeup as the post for catspurr…
Don’t have to be so in depth analysis, just a personal commentary from your PoV, would be interesting, and perhaps some tidbits you think you may find interesting in hindsight:
a fun trip down memory lane…
Preferred analyst: Fferyllt
Results can be public in the thread
This isn’t so much a game review as it is a post review. I’d greatly appreciate if you took the time to read into the context of at least this lylo phase. What did I do so wrong with this post to get my dumbass mislynched despite having the correct read. I feel like this post was where it all went downhill for my slot.
This keeps happening to me and it’s really frustrating to the point where I just want to end my whole mafia career. Big sads.
Were I come from we have a player who posts up a storm when she is town.
I never read much of what she says, cause I already know, long wandering woffle, town, short concise posts scum.
Unless you are known for lonf posts, it looks scummy just doing that.
(To me, of course, other will have their own view,)
