I am fine w the lynch bit I think cabd and ms srs both scummier
So Josh, if you find both MS and cabd scummier than Urist, how do you reconcile that apparent rift in power claims?
I also agree Urist is looking pretty bad right now, but you donāt think itās maybe one or the other between cabd and MS? Or is it that you find each scummy but NOT mafia together? Surely if you find them both scummy youād at least want to lynch between them?
Pyx, you did. I called you out on it, which is why I remember. See below:
I know you have changed your view since, but these are the sorts of things that leave a bad taste.
I think thereās one Scum in {Srceenplay, Urist, Mantis}. Skitter/Cabd might also be one, but not together with MS I wouldnāt think. And I still think thereās a chance youāre one. You kicking back to life under pressure is rather interesting.
So yeah, youāre still wrong, because nowhere in there am I coming even close to what you said I said.
AND, I immediately clarifed that was NOT a vote on you, as indeed it never was, again as youāre repeatedly wrong in implying it was an active and valid vote.
I am voting ms, so yes
It isnāt a ākicking back to lifeā. Iām on a different time schudule than most of those who threw down votes on me after I had retired for the day.
Otherwise, I think Iād agree with where youāre looking for scum. Iād say at this point itās more likely Urist and cabd, unless itās not.
What do you make of the MS note claim from _fferyllt?
So not the couple together then?
Iāll shoot your question back at you, then. Tell me why, if you are so skeptical of the tracker claim, youāre not voting for Cabd?
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Itās either Mantis and Urist together in some capacity, or Srceenplay. Their interactions with Nanook are almost opposite in style (Urist and Mantis shading Nanook consistently but then calling him Town, and Srceenplay battling it out with Nanook and even voting for him but backing down). Between Mantis and Urist, I have reason to think that Urist is the more likely of the two.
So, if one of {Srceenplay, Urist} flips Town, I would think itās likely the other is Scum.
Despite Cats shading my long posts, I explained why I think the above in detail in #2060, #2067, #2072, #2076 and #2131.
What did I say that you said? Beyond that you said that Parsec was looking at the game right [and I really donāt think this is a ridiculous interpretation of āParsec was going better than meā]? Thereās an early post with Parsecās views, so if you werenāt embracing them, you should have said so. You also seem to be distancing yourself markedly from a vote you put down that you didnāt bold. Which I never indicated or implied was a valid vote. Which is fine, but you seem to be trying to cast me as a fact-twister, when Iām just giving you my honest interpretation of what you put down. If you didnāt want it interpreted as a vote valid in all but format, you shouldnāt have written āVote: Andresā. Itās in the post I quoted. Again, not a stretch by any means.
Iām not sure to which question youāre referring. You said I wasnāt acting like a Miller, that I hadnāt expressed skepticism of cabd, which Iāve shown that I rather have, repeatedly. If, and I mean if, you are trying to control or force a vote I wonāt succumb to that. I know you seem a bit anxious to get on with it with 4 days left, though maybe you understand thatās practically a whole game for those of us more used to 24/12. Yeah, I donāt want a repeat of yesterday either ā if there was no consensus among town we shouldnāt have avoided those candidates who at least seemed scummy only to pick an absentee who had been in some process to turn that slot around, imo. But to me thereās lots of time left ā Iām not even sure MS and cabd have finished their conversation regarding their partial claims.
After Iāve FOSed you youāve said youāre pretty sure your vote is staying on me today. Youāve variously declared shimmering views on cabd yourself, but said, āI still think that lynching either MS or Cabd is a bad idea, I not only think that theyāre both town, but also that the problem will solve itself with time.ā And that the, āonly lynches Iād be ok with today are pyx, Josh, and Screen; with big gaps between themā.
Iāve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MSās claim, and that Iāve had cabd as townish when others did not. Thatās certainly doesnāt mean Iāve settled the matters for myself ā Iāve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought ānitpickingā.
If youāre thinking āmy questionā is somewhere in these questions of yours direscted toward Judge Mental, then please note Iām quite aware of our GMās history with mafia, likely as much as any other player in the game Iād guess.
Youāre confident screenplay is mafia and yet expecting they are the Town Cop, when itās been made clear their claim was fake? Or is it that you believe cabdās Town Tracker claim but not parsecās Miller claim giving creedence to the presence of a Town Cop? Or are you doubting the presence of any Town Miller and Town Cop to somehow strengthen your support of cabdās Town Tracker claim? Or is it you either doubt or reinforce there being strong mafia roles in the remaining mafia?
So regardless of what you think āmy questionā is, yeah, Iām not yet prepared to vote cabd, because I think there might follow more to that conversation, Iām unsure, and we have plenty of time left by my watch.
I am suspicious of the push on Josh. I donāt think heās Scum (see #2072 for why). At the very least, I think there are other players we can flip that would certainly clarify whether he is or isnāt.
Pyx
āI also agree Urist is looking pretty bad right now, but you donāt think itās maybe one or the other between cabd and MS?ā - #2362
" Iād say at this point itās more likely Urist and cabd, unless itās not." -#2367
āIāve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MSās claim, and that Iāve had cabd as townish when others did not. Thatās certainly doesnāt mean Iāve settled the matters for myself ā Iāve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought ānitpickingā.ā -#2372
I find this all a bit fickle. As in, you seem to have certainty that itās likely cabd, but then point out that youāve had him as townish, when others have not. Why point that out?
Seems to me if you were scum, this would be a good way to point back and say, yep I was suspicious of cabd (if he flips scum) but also gives the opportunity to point back and say how you wanted to give him time and that you had him as towny, if he flips town. Its waffly.
As of now I guess you have it as likely urist and cabd?
Also in post 2360, thereās also a somewhat lengthy explanation about cabd/skitters being town. Does this still hold for you? It sounds like you have it likely that the slot is town.
I know. Itās puzzling, isnāt it.
Ya
I donāt think thereās gonna be much more from cabd and ms.
Why does scum urist and nanook move the lunch together from cabd to smilodon? If 1) cabd was town. 2) If cabd flipped scum, wouldnāt they be outed?
Look, again, I thought I had been really transparent on cabd. He was nearly lynched yesterday: Cabd: 6 Andresvmb, Mantis, Josh, Judge Mental, Srceenplay, Nanook). Do you see me on that list? No. I had him as townish where several had him as mafia. And yes, Iād think there is likely at least mafia on and off that wagon, just as there was with cats earlier.
Urist (who has cabd as town) was saying I never questioned my town read, was never skeptical of cabd. I pointed out where I have been. Ordinarilly, when someone steps out and says, ~āI tracked MS to dead a dead _fferyllt muffinā weād be voting MS. But there are several issues with the claims, all of which Iāve gone over to the point of being called a nitpicker. Again, I donāt think that discussion is over.
If you and others want to colour that as pyx waffling Iām OK with that. And yes, I find it interesting that Urist has said a town flip of cabd (which is where heās at) likely means Urist is mafia.
Nanook was the last vote on cabd, putting him at L-1 with an hour and a half to go. The last previous vote on cabd was screenplay 33 minutes earlier. 47 minutes after Nanookās vote with less than 45 minutes to go Urist starts the move to smilodon, with Nanook and Andres next moving with about 40 minutes left.
Maybe after waiting, players (of either alignment) thought the cabd lynch wasnāt happening. I believe itās Andres (and maybe others) whoāve seen the Nanook vote on cabd as a bus. Nanook, cats, and I each expressed openness to a no-lynch (cats even voted it at one point).
Convention would tell us mafia.would want town-cred were cabd one of their own, and would certainly want to spare him and lynch elsewhere if they could. Thatās actually what happened by action, but itās not what scum!Nanook expressed by faux desire. Mafia wanted a lynch of town and got one.
Now, why does mafia move the lynch from cabd to smilodon?
If cabd is town it could easily be after waiting 45 minutes they thought that lynch wasnāt happening. Iād agree the move to smilodon would have been a big gamble over waiting the other wagon out.
If cabd is scum, some have already expressed that Nanook particularly looked sus with his vote, so yes, a definite outed look. Urist wasnāt on cabd, but Josh. I could see mafia not wanting to hammer either cabd or smilodon, regardless of their alignment. .
He had said if youāre so skeptical, how come no vote? Not that you werenāt skeptical
I think he said that if cabd flips scum itāll look bad for him: