AND, I immediately clarifed that was NOT a vote on you, as indeed it never was, again as you’re repeatedly wrong in implying it was an active and valid vote.
I am voting ms, so yes
It isn’t a “kicking back to life”. I’m on a different time schudule than most of those who threw down votes on me after I had retired for the day.
Otherwise, I think I’d agree with where you’re looking for scum. I’d say at this point it’s more likely Urist and cabd, unless it’s not.
What do you make of the MS note claim from _fferyllt?
So not the couple together then?
I’ll shoot your question back at you, then. Tell me why, if you are so skeptical of the tracker claim, you’re not voting for Cabd?
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It’s either Mantis and Urist together in some capacity, or Srceenplay. Their interactions with Nanook are almost opposite in style (Urist and Mantis shading Nanook consistently but then calling him Town, and Srceenplay battling it out with Nanook and even voting for him but backing down). Between Mantis and Urist, I have reason to think that Urist is the more likely of the two.
So, if one of {Srceenplay, Urist} flips Town, I would think it’s likely the other is Scum.
Despite Cats shading my long posts, I explained why I think the above in detail in #2060, #2067, #2072, #2076 and #2131.
What did I say that you said? Beyond that you said that Parsec was looking at the game right [and I really don’t think this is a ridiculous interpretation of “Parsec was going better than me”]? There’s an early post with Parsec’s views, so if you weren’t embracing them, you should have said so. You also seem to be distancing yourself markedly from a vote you put down that you didn’t bold. Which I never indicated or implied was a valid vote. Which is fine, but you seem to be trying to cast me as a fact-twister, when I’m just giving you my honest interpretation of what you put down. If you didn’t want it interpreted as a vote valid in all but format, you shouldn’t have written “Vote: Andres”. It’s in the post I quoted. Again, not a stretch by any means.
I’m not sure to which question you’re referring. You said I wasn’t acting like a Miller, that I hadn’t expressed skepticism of cabd, which I’ve shown that I rather have, repeatedly. If, and I mean if, you are trying to control or force a vote I won’t succumb to that. I know you seem a bit anxious to get on with it with 4 days left, though maybe you understand that’s practically a whole game for those of us more used to 24/12. Yeah, I don’t want a repeat of yesterday either – if there was no consensus among town we shouldn’t have avoided those candidates who at least seemed scummy only to pick an absentee who had been in some process to turn that slot around, imo. But to me there’s lots of time left – I’m not even sure MS and cabd have finished their conversation regarding their partial claims.
After I’ve FOSed you you’ve said you’re pretty sure your vote is staying on me today. You’ve variously declared shimmering views on cabd yourself, but said, “I still think that lynching either MS or Cabd is a bad idea, I not only think that they’re both town, but also that the problem will solve itself with time.” And that the, “only lynches I’d be ok with today are pyx, Josh, and Screen; with big gaps between them”.
I’ve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MS’s claim, and that I’ve had cabd as townish when others did not. That’s certainly doesn’t mean I’ve settled the matters for myself – I’ve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought “nitpicking”.
If you’re thinking “my question” is somewhere in these questions of yours direscted toward Judge Mental, then please note I’m quite aware of our GM’s history with mafia, likely as much as any other player in the game I’d guess.
You’re confident screenplay is mafia and yet expecting they are the Town Cop, when it’s been made clear their claim was fake? Or is it that you believe cabd’s Town Tracker claim but not parsec’s Miller claim giving creedence to the presence of a Town Cop? Or are you doubting the presence of any Town Miller and Town Cop to somehow strengthen your support of cabd’s Town Tracker claim? Or is it you either doubt or reinforce there being strong mafia roles in the remaining mafia?
So regardless of what you think “my question” is, yeah, I’m not yet prepared to vote cabd, because I think there might follow more to that conversation, I’m unsure, and we have plenty of time left by my watch.
I am suspicious of the push on Josh. I don’t think he’s Scum (see #2072 for why). At the very least, I think there are other players we can flip that would certainly clarify whether he is or isn’t.
Pyx
“I also agree Urist is looking pretty bad right now, but you don’t think it’s maybe one or the other between cabd and MS?” - #2362
" I’d say at this point it’s more likely Urist and cabd, unless it’s not." -#2367
“I’ve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MS’s claim, and that I’ve had cabd as townish when others did not. That’s certainly doesn’t mean I’ve settled the matters for myself – I’ve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought “nitpicking”.” -#2372
I find this all a bit fickle. As in, you seem to have certainty that it’s likely cabd, but then point out that you’ve had him as townish, when others have not. Why point that out?
Seems to me if you were scum, this would be a good way to point back and say, yep I was suspicious of cabd (if he flips scum) but also gives the opportunity to point back and say how you wanted to give him time and that you had him as towny, if he flips town. Its waffly.
As of now I guess you have it as likely urist and cabd?
Also in post 2360, there’s also a somewhat lengthy explanation about cabd/skitters being town. Does this still hold for you? It sounds like you have it likely that the slot is town.
I know. It’s puzzling, isn’t it.
Ya
I don’t think there’s gonna be much more from cabd and ms.
Why does scum urist and nanook move the lunch together from cabd to smilodon? If 1) cabd was town. 2) If cabd flipped scum, wouldn’t they be outed?
Look, again, I thought I had been really transparent on cabd. He was nearly lynched yesterday: Cabd: 6 Andresvmb, Mantis, Josh, Judge Mental, Srceenplay, Nanook). Do you see me on that list? No. I had him as townish where several had him as mafia. And yes, I’d think there is likely at least mafia on and off that wagon, just as there was with cats earlier.
Urist (who has cabd as town) was saying I never questioned my town read, was never skeptical of cabd. I pointed out where I have been. Ordinarilly, when someone steps out and says, ~“I tracked MS to dead a dead _fferyllt muffin” we’d be voting MS. But there are several issues with the claims, all of which I’ve gone over to the point of being called a nitpicker. Again, I don’t think that discussion is over.
If you and others want to colour that as pyx waffling I’m OK with that. And yes, I find it interesting that Urist has said a town flip of cabd (which is where he’s at) likely means Urist is mafia.
Nanook was the last vote on cabd, putting him at L-1 with an hour and a half to go. The last previous vote on cabd was screenplay 33 minutes earlier. 47 minutes after Nanook’s vote with less than 45 minutes to go Urist starts the move to smilodon, with Nanook and Andres next moving with about 40 minutes left.
Maybe after waiting, players (of either alignment) thought the cabd lynch wasn’t happening. I believe it’s Andres (and maybe others) who’ve seen the Nanook vote on cabd as a bus. Nanook, cats, and I each expressed openness to a no-lynch (cats even voted it at one point).
Convention would tell us mafia.would want town-cred were cabd one of their own, and would certainly want to spare him and lynch elsewhere if they could. That’s actually what happened by action, but it’s not what scum!Nanook expressed by faux desire. Mafia wanted a lynch of town and got one.
Now, why does mafia move the lynch from cabd to smilodon?
If cabd is town it could easily be after waiting 45 minutes they thought that lynch wasn’t happening. I’d agree the move to smilodon would have been a big gamble over waiting the other wagon out.
If cabd is scum, some have already expressed that Nanook particularly looked sus with his vote, so yes, a definite outed look. Urist wasn’t on cabd, but Josh. I could see mafia not wanting to hammer either cabd or smilodon, regardless of their alignment. .
He had said if you’re so skeptical, how come no vote? Not that you weren’t skeptical
I think he said that if cabd flips scum it’ll look bad for him:
If they thought it was a bus, why not let the lynch happen, and have Nanook be forced to lynch a scum partner?
maybe, but that would be a bit blood thirsty and just putting themselves out there too much
(under the assumption that urist is scum w Nanook).
is the bold referring to what you said about people thinking that it might be a bus? I don’t understand why that would be a bad thing.
well it seems like it would be putting themselves out there too much, openly coordinating in the thread
Yeah, not sure what I was looking at now. I got that wrong.
idk and idc