Deep Space 9 Mafia - Game Over!

[Mantis]

Maybe after waiting, players (of either alignment) thought the cabd lynch wasn’t happening. I believe it’s Andres (and maybe others) who’ve seen the Nanook vote on cabd as a bus. Nanook, cats, and I each expressed openness to a no-lynch (cats even voted it at one point).

If they thought it was a bus, why not let the lynch happen, and have Nanook be forced to lynch a scum partner?

If cabd is town it could easily be after waiting 45 minutes they thought that lynch wasn’t happening. I’d agree the move to smilodon would have been a big gamble over waiting the other wagon out.

maybe, but that would be a bit blood thirsty and just putting themselves out there too much
(under the assumption that urist is scum w Nanook).

If cabd is scum, some have already expressed that Nanook particularly looked sus with his vote, so yes, a definite outed look. Urist wasn’t on cabd, but Josh. I could see mafia not wanting to hammer either cabd or smilodon, regardless of their alignment. .

is the bold referring to what you said about people thinking that it might be a bus? I don’t understand why that would be a bad thing.

[Mantis]

well it seems like it would be putting themselves out there too much, openly coordinating in the thread

[pyx]

I find it interesting that Urist has said a town flip of cabd (which is where he’s at) likely means Urist is mafia.

if cabd flips scum? yeah i’d probably get speedlynched after. as it stands, though, gl getting me lynched.

eh, i’m fully aware that i’m gonna eat rope if cabd flips scum

Yeah, not sure what I was looking at now. I got that wrong.

[Josh]

idk and idc

[pyx]

If they thought it was a bus, why not let the lynch happen, and have Nanook be forced to lynch a scum partner?

I don’t know. Though it looks like either mafia would have had to be the last 2 votes or they really didn’t see anyone else voting there. It’s that Nanook was a simple “Goon aligned with the Cult of the Pah-wraiths.” that leads me to think another mafia may not be willingly lynched, 'cause I’d agree there must be power in the others. If there was a bus I’d think it would be Nanook, had they a choice. Plus, the placement of Nanook on the cabd wagon is NOT where a mafia teammate would want to be.

So yeah, that supports a town!cabd.

[Urist]

I’m not saying that’s what we have here, and the Framer thing Urist brought up is a possibility, but clearly it’s more or different than that (as per normally how we’d see the role).

This is a big reason for why I think pyx is scum. Why on Earth would a miller be considering the possibility of a track-framer? Those roles would make so little sense together in the same setup.
pyx has modded a lot of games, that’s why I’m so surprised by the willingness to consider such nonsense as a track-framer + miller setup.

And please stop trying to act as if my points are invalid. I said that I would expect a miller to be more skeptical of a tracker claim. All of your skepticism toward Cabd has been regarding the fact that you thought he was claiming Weird Modified Tracker, not for any other reason.

Then you tell me why cabd claims MS is guilty and lying but hey, he doesn’t want to vote there?

This sort of ‘skepticism’ is why you’re scummy. You yourself posted reasons for why the claim conflict is confusing. In #2373 you even say that you’re not sure that the discussion is resolved yet. Why would you expect Cabd to not be confused? Why would you expect Cabd to have a vote down if the conversation isn’t resolved? Also, Cabd didn’t say that he thought MS was guilty or lying, so your point is moot anyway.
(This is the question I meant when I said I was throwing your question back at you, btw).

After I’ve FOSed you you’ve said you’re pretty sure your vote is staying on me today.

Nice thinly-veiled accusation of OMGUS.

You’re confident screenplay is mafia and yet expecting they are the Town Cop, when it’s been made clear their claim was fake?

No… I’m saying that if we have a miller we should probably have a cop to go with it…

[Urist]

Look, again, I thought I had been really transparent on cabd. He was nearly lynched yesterday: Cabd: 6 Andresvmb, Mantis, Josh, Judge Mental, Srceenplay, Nanook). Do you see me on that list? No. I had him as townish where several had him as mafia.

If cabd is town it could easily be after waiting 45 minutes they thought that lynch wasn’t happening. I’d agree the move to smilodon would have been a big gamble over waiting the other wagon out.

If cabd is scum, some have already expressed that Nanook particularly looked sus with his vote, so yes, a definite outed look. Urist wasn’t on cabd, but Josh. I could see mafia not wanting to hammer either cabd or smilodon, regardless of their alignment. .

So your logic is that you are town for being off the Cabd wagon… but I’m scum for derailing the wagon and refusing to hammer. Nice double standards you got there.

[pyx]

No, I didn’t and I don’t. You even quoted that I don’t.

[catspurr]

I am leaning town on pyx and starting to lean scum on urist.
Why? bcause I can’t see how a town urist can tell a miller how they should see things and react.

Why should a miller act any different than any other role?
Pyx has pointed out repeatedly that the GM signaled strange mechanics and roles.
CABD is the one who, instead of simply saying, I tracked Metal to _fferyllt , introduced wifom about, Oh _fferyllt was already dead, oh no he wasn’t he was playing possum.

It seem to me that urist is trying to rescue cabd and mislynch pyx.

VOTE: VOTE:URIST

I’m sorry Urist, but I usually follow and agree with your arguments, but this time I think you may have Rand scum and are trying to steamroll town.

[Mental (Judge)]

wouldn’t a CABD lynch be a better way of solving the game, if you are on the right track? Pyx has said CABD has inconsistencies in their claim, and you are saying you think both CABD and Urist are scum (aren’t you?)

[Urist]

yeahhhh srceen and cats are both pushing this “Urist is protecting scumCabd, so let’s lynch Urist!” crap and I don’t get it at all.

[catspurr]

I maybe wrong about protecting cabd.
But you seem to have created a whole scenerio for lynching pyx that I don’t like.

[Mental (Judge)]

um…but that significantly changes your case on Urist…

[catspurr]

Why? What do you mean?

[Urist]

I’m saying how I would expect a town miller to act.
Tell me how likely you think each of the following explanations are for our current situation:

1. Town tracker, town miller, town fruit vendor, town neighborizer, town cop, mafia track-framer/redirector
2. Town tracker, town miller, town fruit vendor, town neighborizer, NO town cop, mafia track-framer/redirector
3. NO town tracker, town miller, town fruit vendor, town neighborizer, town cop, mafia RB/redirector
4. NO town tracker, town miller, town fruit vendor, town neighborizer, NO town cop, mafia RB/redirector

These are all from pyx’s perspective, so they assume a miller is in the mix. If you have more possible explanations feel free to add them.
If you go through this exercise, you should know what I mean. I get that ffery has said that there will be unusual roles. Ok, makes sense. That doesn’t really explain why there would be an odd setup like tracker + miller + no cop.
For me, if I were pyx, I would be pretty sold on scenario 3 and would not be considering scenarios 1 or 2 seriously at all. Especially not a track-framer.
This is why I think pyx is scum. I would expect him to be a lot more critical about these things if he were actually a miller.

Also his play is scummy so that’s an added bonus.

[Urist]

I don’t know what you’re replying to.

[Mental (Judge)]

I thought a major part of your case is Urist protecting CABD on day 1 also. I could be wrong…

[Urist]

It seem to me that urist is trying to rescue cabd and mislynch pyx.

After I defended Val/Nanook and went after myloninja in flipflap, why would you even think this is a scumtell for me?

[Srceenplay]

town neighborizer

Where did you get this from?

[fferyllt (fairlylit)]

VC 2-14

pyx: 3 (Urist, Andresvmb, Mantis)
Urist: 2 (Srceenplay, catspurr)
Judge Mental: 1 (Metal Sonic)
Metal Sonic: 1 (Josh)

Not voting: 3 (pyx, Cabd, Judge Mental)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: August 25, 2018 4:00 AM

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