It’s either Mantis and Urist together in some capacity, or Srceenplay. Their interactions with Nanook are almost opposite in style (Urist and Mantis shading Nanook consistently but then calling him Town, and Srceenplay battling it out with Nanook and even voting for him but backing down). Between Mantis and Urist, I have reason to think that Urist is the more likely of the two.
So, if one of {Srceenplay, Urist} flips Town, I would think it’s likely the other is Scum.
Despite Cats shading my long posts, I explained why I think the above in detail in #2060, #2067, #2072, #2076 and #2131.
What did I say that you said? Beyond that you said that Parsec was looking at the game right [and I really don’t think this is a ridiculous interpretation of “Parsec was going better than me”]? There’s an early post with Parsec’s views, so if you weren’t embracing them, you should have said so. You also seem to be distancing yourself markedly from a vote you put down that you didn’t bold. Which I never indicated or implied was a valid vote. Which is fine, but you seem to be trying to cast me as a fact-twister, when I’m just giving you my honest interpretation of what you put down. If you didn’t want it interpreted as a vote valid in all but format, you shouldn’t have written “Vote: Andres”. It’s in the post I quoted. Again, not a stretch by any means.
I’m not sure to which question you’re referring. You said I wasn’t acting like a Miller, that I hadn’t expressed skepticism of cabd, which I’ve shown that I rather have, repeatedly. If, and I mean if, you are trying to control or force a vote I won’t succumb to that. I know you seem a bit anxious to get on with it with 4 days left, though maybe you understand that’s practically a whole game for those of us more used to 24/12. Yeah, I don’t want a repeat of yesterday either – if there was no consensus among town we shouldn’t have avoided those candidates who at least seemed scummy only to pick an absentee who had been in some process to turn that slot around, imo. But to me there’s lots of time left – I’m not even sure MS and cabd have finished their conversation regarding their partial claims.
After I’ve FOSed you you’ve said you’re pretty sure your vote is staying on me today. You’ve variously declared shimmering views on cabd yourself, but said, “I still think that lynching either MS or Cabd is a bad idea, I not only think that they’re both town, but also that the problem will solve itself with time.” And that the, “only lynches I’d be ok with today are pyx, Josh, and Screen; with big gaps between them”.
I’ve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MS’s claim, and that I’ve had cabd as townish when others did not. That’s certainly doesn’t mean I’ve settled the matters for myself – I’ve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought “nitpicking”.
If you’re thinking “my question” is somewhere in these questions of yours direscted toward Judge Mental, then please note I’m quite aware of our GM’s history with mafia, likely as much as any other player in the game I’d guess.
You’re confident screenplay is mafia and yet expecting they are the Town Cop, when it’s been made clear their claim was fake? Or is it that you believe cabd’s Town Tracker claim but not parsec’s Miller claim giving creedence to the presence of a Town Cop? Or are you doubting the presence of any Town Miller and Town Cop to somehow strengthen your support of cabd’s Town Tracker claim? Or is it you either doubt or reinforce there being strong mafia roles in the remaining mafia?
So regardless of what you think “my question” is, yeah, I’m not yet prepared to vote cabd, because I think there might follow more to that conversation, I’m unsure, and we have plenty of time left by my watch.
I am suspicious of the push on Josh. I don’t think he’s Scum (see #2072 for why). At the very least, I think there are other players we can flip that would certainly clarify whether he is or isn’t.
“I also agree Urist is looking pretty bad right now, but you don’t think it’s maybe one or the other between cabd and MS?” - #2362
" I’d say at this point it’s more likely Urist and cabd, unless it’s not." -#2367
“I’ve said quite frankly that I believe the detail of MS’s claim, and that I’ve had cabd as townish when others did not. That’s certainly doesn’t mean I’ve settled the matters for myself – I’ve also expressed concerns over both claims that frankly some have thought “nitpicking”.” -#2372
I find this all a bit fickle. As in, you seem to have certainty that it’s likely cabd, but then point out that you’ve had him as townish, when others have not. Why point that out?
Seems to me if you were scum, this would be a good way to point back and say, yep I was suspicious of cabd (if he flips scum) but also gives the opportunity to point back and say how you wanted to give him time and that you had him as towny, if he flips town. Its waffly.
As of now I guess you have it as likely urist and cabd?
Also in post 2360, there’s also a somewhat lengthy explanation about cabd/skitters being town. Does this still hold for you? It sounds like you have it likely that the slot is town.
Look, again, I thought I had been really transparent on cabd. He was nearly lynched yesterday: Cabd: 6 Andresvmb, Mantis, Josh, Judge Mental, Srceenplay, Nanook). Do you see me on that list? No. I had him as townish where several had him as mafia. And yes, I’d think there is likely at least mafia on and off that wagon, just as there was with cats earlier.
Urist (who has cabd as town) was saying I never questioned my town read, was never skeptical of cabd. I pointed out where I have been. Ordinarilly, when someone steps out and says, ~“I tracked MS to dead a dead _fferyllt muffin” we’d be voting MS. But there are several issues with the claims, all of which I’ve gone over to the point of being called a nitpicker. Again, I don’t think that discussion is over.
If you and others want to colour that as pyx waffling I’m OK with that. And yes, I find it interesting that Urist has said a town flip of cabd (which is where he’s at) likely means Urist is mafia.
Nanook was the last vote on cabd, putting him at L-1 with an hour and a half to go. The last previous vote on cabd was screenplay 33 minutes earlier. 47 minutes after Nanook’s vote with less than 45 minutes to go Urist starts the move to smilodon, with Nanook and Andres next moving with about 40 minutes left.
Maybe after waiting, players (of either alignment) thought the cabd lynch wasn’t happening. I believe it’s Andres (and maybe others) who’ve seen the Nanook vote on cabd as a bus. Nanook, cats, and I each expressed openness to a no-lynch (cats even voted it at one point).
Convention would tell us mafia.would want town-cred were cabd one of their own, and would certainly want to spare him and lynch elsewhere if they could. That’s actually what happened by action, but it’s not what scum!Nanook expressed by faux desire. Mafia wanted a lynch of town and got one.
Now, why does mafia move the lynch from cabd to smilodon?
If cabd is town it could easily be after waiting 45 minutes they thought that lynch wasn’t happening. I’d agree the move to smilodon would have been a big gamble over waiting the other wagon out.
If cabd is scum, some have already expressed that Nanook particularly looked sus with his vote, so yes, a definite outed look. Urist wasn’t on cabd, but Josh. I could see mafia not wanting to hammer either cabd or smilodon, regardless of their alignment. .
I don’t know. Though it looks like either mafia would have had to be the last 2 votes or they really didn’t see anyone else voting there. It’s that Nanook was a simple “Goon aligned with the Cult of the Pah-wraiths.” that leads me to think another mafia may not be willingly lynched, 'cause I’d agree there must be power in the others. If there was a bus I’d think it would be Nanook, had they a choice. Plus, the placement of Nanook on the cabd wagon is NOT where a mafia teammate would want to be.
This is a big reason for why I think pyx is scum. Why on Earth would a miller be considering the possibility of a track-framer? Those roles would make so little sense together in the same setup.
pyx has modded a lot of games, that’s why I’m so surprised by the willingness to consider such nonsense as a track-framer + miller setup.
And please stop trying to act as if my points are invalid. I said that I would expect a miller to be more skeptical of a tracker claim. All of your skepticism toward Cabd has been regarding the fact that you thought he was claiming Weird Modified Tracker, not for any other reason.
This sort of ‘skepticism’ is why you’re scummy. You yourself posted reasons for why the claim conflict is confusing. In #2373 you even say that you’re not sure that the discussion is resolved yet. Why would you expect Cabd to not be confused? Why would you expect Cabd to have a vote down if the conversation isn’t resolved? Also, Cabd didn’t say that he thought MS was guilty or lying, so your point is moot anyway.
(This is the question I meant when I said I was throwing your question back at you, btw).
Nice thinly-veiled accusation of OMGUS.
No… I’m saying that if we have a miller we should probably have a cop to go with it…
So your logic is that you are town for being off the Cabd wagon… but I’m scum for derailing the wagon and refusing to hammer. Nice double standards you got there.
I am leaning town on pyx and starting to lean scum on urist.
Why? bcause I can’t see how a town urist can tell a miller how they should see things and react.
Why should a miller act any different than any other role?
Pyx has pointed out repeatedly that the GM signaled strange mechanics and roles.
CABD is the one who, instead of simply saying, I tracked Metal to _fferyllt , introduced wifom about, Oh _fferyllt was already dead, oh no he wasn’t he was playing possum.
It seem to me that urist is trying to rescue cabd and mislynch pyx.
VOTE: VOTE:URIST
I’m sorry Urist, but I usually follow and agree with your arguments, but this time I think you may have Rand scum and are trying to steamroll town.
wouldn’t a CABD lynch be a better way of solving the game, if you are on the right track? Pyx has said CABD has inconsistencies in their claim, and you are saying you think both CABD and Urist are scum (aren’t you?)
