Like, two people with a decent success rate at reading Andres are calling him lock town, one of them died and flipped town, the other is a universal town read…
And there are 2 votes on Andres. That is a travesty.
You think I’m Scum with Nuxl? Are you kidding me?
This whole situation is bullshit. I’m being SR in this game because DS decided to tunnel me to affect the outcome of a different game, and in the stupidest way possible. The fact that anyone is trying to convincingly argue that I would act this way as Scum is mind boggling. In your world, I get Town Read by EVERY person to flip Town, but I’m so stupid that I decide to NK all of them only to stay with those that SR me and have done so consistently.
AND, I decided it would be a good idea to bus my Partner out of nowhere.
Dusk and Key both thought Nuxl could flip Scum, and StarV has voted there. I think it’s entirely likely that Nuxl flips Scum. Hence, my vote. I think it’s slightly more likely that Dan flips Town than Nuxl does. Which is why I’m pushing StarV in this direction.
If you want to push me, go ahead. But I reserve the right to ignore you the rest of the game.
We had 0 chance to lynch Scum. DS was Town and I was the only other viable option.
Hannahh is probably Scum, and is hedging in the situation that Nuxl flips and flips Scum. I think this is quite likely to be the case.
So I think we should absolutely flip Nuxl. Or flip me, so that you can finally pay attention to what I’m saying because I feel like I’m screaming to the wall right now.
Shhh
Agree
Uh I don’t think you understand the full plan or the point, and I’m waiting until certain people talk before I actually reveal the point (so your lack of understanding is entirely warranted, but your constant need to bite people’s heads off is not).
I do think that your assessment of the roles is from a towny-ish perspective. It’s true town has lost all of its offensive roles. The very structure of this game is actually quite different from a normal mafia game though and I think the value of each role has been changed a lot. We’re at 2 mislynches and we lose. Sure, however, the doctor only has a 1/5 chance of getting their doc right (which is actually a high % since that only accounts for townies, not for the doc accidentally docing scum), and even if they get it right the first night we’re STILL at two mislynches and we lose. The doctor has to get TWO NIGHTS in a row of correct predicts, assuming we don’t lynch a mafia in the day.
If we get a lynch correct (translation: pretty much meaning THIS lynch), then the doctor’s value increases of course, but then the ability to win without the doctor also increases too. If we lynch incorrectly this time without gaining new shit, the doctor’s utility is very very poor.
Not to mention if the doctor is scum, then well, all the town utility is poof.
At this point, we have two options. Sacrifice the doctor to get more information to almost guarantee we get scum next time or be super confident we lynch correctly and win based on reads.
Because we’re at 2 mislynches you lose with still a lot of players left and low doctor success rate, I think this is something we need to consider.
If we can somehow be super confident in lynching scum today it would alleviate almost all my worries, and of course I want to wait and see what new information pops up. But my end-game charting is showing me the odds are worth considering looking outside of relying on a correct doc.
I mean, if you can explain a proper, likely mechanical solve that involves the doctor contributing something outside of low shots in the dark chance, I’m all ears. I think my plan has higher odds. My smogon core is dead, my reads are dead, my plan is one that doesn’t rely on reads. If you think your reads are good enough to win bases on reads, good on you, but I trust math more than I trust your reads in this moment.
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UNVOTE
You’re trying to reveal who the Faith Healer is. In a completely bone-headed attempt at catching Scum. How about you VOTE for Scum, instead of voting for me? That’s a decent place to start.
Absolutely not. We’re not sacrificing the Doctor. Over my dead body. It’s a completely ridiculous idea and should be ignored.
This is not possible. You want people to guarantee the lynch of Scum? What is this sorcery?
Focus on trying to figure out who the Scum is. Maybe re-read the game.
Andres, I think you’re town, but no one is throwing for out of game purposes, I think we need to be a bit more diplomatic.
I’m getting incredibly frustrated at this game. So fine, I’ll try and be more diplomatic. But the lack of logic is bothering me to no end.
Do. The. Math.
You’re basically saying you trust a doctor to get a 1/8th chance followed by a 1/6th chance in a row, in a scenario where scum already knows “townie Andres” and “towny StarV” are cleared as not doctors, therefore 9 - 2 cleared roles - 3 scum = 4. Plus two other players claimed, if you want to think they are town. So scum already has a 1/4 to 1/2 chance of killing the doc if they really wanted to anyway. And this is completely on top of the fact that a town doctor doesn’t actually help us solve the game.
Literally my posts ooze logic and math, you’re the one who is being irrational and pouting ans shouting back with “no, never!”
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In fairness, we just had a townie attempt to use this game as a means to win another, with the primary aim at Andres and I (me for the game play, Andres as a random game throwing push)… Due to how the whole thing shook out yesterday, I’m not surprised that there is a bit of residual frustration, I don’t think you’ve been void of exhibiting it either.
I think we all need to put it behind us though and attempt to play as respectfully as a game about lying and double crossing allows yo to do.
Andres & Doggo, can we all agree that we’re all on the same team and we will work on solving this together?
I would also like to invite wisp onto the team, because I’m very confident he’s town. The way I see it, if we can resolve whatever this is, we only need 1 more townie to win.