And look I acknowledge this up front and really, it should be obvious to people - I have two decent skills in this game. Those are to make myself Town Read correctly (and I almost never get Lynched as Town), and really reading certain players as Town when they are Town. That’s it. I’m not strong in identifying Scum and I probably won’t ever be. So I know not to trust myself there. But I did know you were Town. But DS did say this and I have to say I don’t disagree - you put yourself in a position that created too much of an issue for Town, and would have eventually been Lynched regardless. There’s no way around that. So even if I didn’t think it was urgent, I did think that you had hurt your own credibility in the game, and that this could be exploited in a tighter situation.
I shouldn’t be judged I feel for lynching people incorrectly - there’s other ways to figure out when I’m Scum I feel. This just isn’t it.
Honestly, that’s my town game, I put myself into situations where everyone wants to lynch me and then I’m like, hey… Look everyone wants to lynch me, don’t you think that makes me town?
Honestly, I know you were masons and you wanted to present a united front, but Jake was at L-1, you can’t say that you knew I was town and that you take no responsibility for the loss.
I mean, obviously I knew what the situation was with you only voting because you were masons with DS, which is hard from my perspective, because I can’t do anything against that… I’m already projecting town.
I’d say your biggest weakness isn’t finding scum, it’s listening to other people when you should just play the game you know. Like, getting revenge on a townie because he called you out isn’t your game, that’s DS’ game.
Ignoring Elli, same thing.
I mean, it’s clear that the mason duo bulldozed through 2 townies in a row with the same supporting cast voting with them. That should never happen and that’s why I can take accountability for the gambit failing, but you guys saying “it’s not my fault” is absolutely hilarious when I was being town read by every veteran player on the site including you and you are the sole reason I got lynched, the wagon was dead and the newbies were too scared to vote there until you cemented your position.
@Andresvmb Like, don’t get me wrong, I understand why you decided to play the way you did. I’m fine with that and I don’t mind losing in that situation, but don’t go and call it good gameplay.
Agreed. I was on the side of wanting to lynch Elli but had agreed to Andres plan to lynch Jake originally which got sidetracked by the redclaim and stars lynch.
Bruh it’s not getting revenge. It’s clearing the game of unnecessary bloat and avenues for scum to hide behind mislynches. You were always going to be an issue for town to resolve based on how you fake claimed and my opinion was that it was better overall to resolve you while we were still in the game because as you said yourself, there are quite a few new players which I didn’t necessarily trust to take on a scum!starv because I’ve witnessed how good you are at scum. I wasn’t going to risk that potential world.
I agree with Andres that you will read the Mason chat and see our thought processes about it because at this point there is no real way for us to reconcile our two povs because we are on opposite sides of a just overall shit situation.
I actually think you guys were set to die before the claim btw (poison) I’m not 100% sure though (so the claim may not have mattered and the main gripe might not have actually played out), GTacc or Kiymali_Pide should be able to confirm.
I’ve had some time to think about the play, because I was only thinking about the strategic implications of the play in a vaccuum, I’ve concluded that I don’t think it could ever work with this player list, even though I don’t think the play is bad in general.
I don’t think I ever said I played a good game. I’m not here patting myself in the back saying everything that happened is completely outside my control and I played amazing. I’ve consistently taken issue with being on the other side of vitriol about a defining play that I didn’t make, or at least more vitriol than the player making the decision. And Chess coming here and bashing me for being stubborn and saying you re-evaluated is a complete joke.
And yeah DS already explained this - it has nothing to do with “revenge”. I mean that’s a completely emotional decision that you haven’t seen me make and I did not start here.
I was considering Urist or Elli day 2, but the wagon that needed to push there was pushing on me, no amount of telling people to vote there was changing your minds.
