Note: The order of the posts was random and will remain in this same player order (with dead players omitted) for the duration of the game.
PHASE 1.1 WILL END October 13, 2018 4:00 PM (Europe: Paris), October 13, 2018 7:00 AM (America: Los Angeles) OR WHEN ALL POSTS ARE SUBMITTED.
Thank gawd there’s data!
I don’t plan to vote in this phase and probably not in the next one. Maybe phase 4.
Beeboy’s post appears to speak to a similar concern to mine about how does a townsperson open in a game like this? I tend to be a sponge in games that begin with RVS, and I love getting strong reads during RVS, and there isn’t going to be an RVS here, and I am really not sure how reads-development will go.
Nanook takes the concern about not getting a lynch to more of an extreme. That’s at least part personality, I think, but I don’t townread him for it.
Urist likes to posture in his game-openers, so his post, though a little over the top, is kinda what I’d expect from him as either alignment. I spent a little time snickering over the possibility that he could draw godfather three times in a row. When he’s been town, I’ve usually figured that out pretty quickly based on his early interactions with other players, despite some lingering paranoia about him from the Look at the Animals game. I don’t have a townread based on that first post.
So, based on the first posts, I’m leaning town on Key and Bee, and feeling a little squinty-eyed about Nanook and Urist.
Final thought: When you put a vote down, talk about who to venge if the lynchee turns out to be town, both to point stuff up that the lynchee might miss, and to give the lynchee more data for figuring you out. If you’re town, you want to be figured out, right?
Oh, that’s super disconcerting having everyone’s posts revealed simultaneously.
Clem looks to be thinking along the same lines as me regarding making sure we get the voting right, which is promising.
Urist’s post was a journey. Looks like the game related bit is that they came to the opposite conclusion as me on RVS. Doesn’t really matter since no one did it, but having that in their first post looks like a way to start an easy push, and I think it would be an easy push on town.
(I was curious too see if it squeezed every bit out of the character limit but the char counting tool I’m using right now says it’s just short of 2000. I kind of appreciate knowing what that looks like on a post)
ffery having nothing to say in her first post but expecting others to be saying something doesn’t really do it for me, in comparison to bee who is more “idk what to do”.
I’m keenest to vote within Urist and ffery right now based on opening posts.
VOTE: Clem
I know that I didn’t slightly help solve this issue but not a lot happened.
Ferry - Nothing
Me - Nothing
Urist - Partaking in RVS is scum + anecdote about previous game
Keychain - Partaking in RVS is town, hitting majority is bad early, let’s coordinate a lynch later though
Clem - Saying what keychain said using many more words. Outside the partaking in RVS is town part.
At an immediate glance just due to the anecdote part of Urist’s post I would say he is town but I am not really basing that on a lot.
Between keychain and clem I would say Clem is more likely to be scum. Clem is kind of only talking about theory while both Keychain and Urist both spoke about how they planned to form reads. I am struggling to form reads I actually like this game but that is what I got so far.
So I guess based on what I’ve read I’d be down to lynch both Clem and Ffery. I also think tracking votes is valuable because if people make posts like I do, “both X and Y are scum” we probably will just end up not lynching anyone.
VOTE: Key
Alright, so first some reactions, then some general thoughts.
Dislike that there’s no realization here of the inherent struggle in reaching a majority vote in this format. Possibly unfair, but I expect a bit better from Effers.
Literally nobody could vote in their first post, so…this is dumb.
On the other hand, I do like that there’s awareness here of the difficulty in reaching majority, so that’s a plus I guess.
This is literally the stupidest way possible to start this game, so I assume you’re town.
I’m not quoting Urist’s post on principle. I like that he’s against RVS and tend to agree with him there (and at least he seems to understand how the rules work, unlike Key).
Alright, so…not really a lot to go on here. Mild gut read on Beeboy as town, Urist is probably town. So that leaves me with Effers and Key? Not even close to confident in a POE read on Effers based off one post or wanting to push that, but I think Key is a decent place to push. The “anyone voting in the first post is probably town” thing was bad both because it’s dumb, and because (as Urist was getting at) early votes for no apparent reason are scummy. So…I think I feel OK voting there and seeing what happens.
A -> D, B, E, C -> votes B because D has him 2nd
B -> E, D, C, A -> votes E because C has him 1st
C -> E, A, B, D -> votes E because B has him 1st
D -> A, B, E, C -> votes B because A has him 2nd
E -> C, D, B, A -> votes B because A & D have him 2nd
With 5 people, this should guarantee a majority on post 6 if we post our lists on post 5. If anyone screws up the system and robs us of a majority on post 6, we lynch them instead on post 7.
That said, people should still feel free to vote before post 6, and anyone who doesn’t vote before then might just be overcautious scum.
@all
I’m waiting to see who attacks ffery and beeboy for not using their first post productively. Anyone who attacks them for that might be scum, since not knowing what to say off the bat isn’t really scummy.
Now, anyone not using their second post properly is a different story. If beeboy actually just sits around waiting for people to tell him whom to vote it isn’t going to end well for him.
Phase 1.1 Votes:
Nanook (1): beeboy
Key (1): Nanook
Didn’t Vote (3): fferyllt, Key, Urist
PHASE 1.2 WILL END October 14, 2018 1:00 PM OR WHEN ALL POSTS ARE SUBMITTED.
Keychain: I thought about doing a different sort of opening post, but I am so used to (and happy with) the tabula rasa approach, where I can see what people read into the blank page. It works really well for me in forum mafia, and I ultimately decided to see what I get from it in this game format.
I agree with you about Urist’s first post. I kinda like his 2nd round post.
Beeboy: what do you mean by “tracking votes”? I’m not following how that relates to your next sentence.
Nanook: anybody could vote in their first post. I’m glad that nobody did, though. Re your comment about me, I don’t put everything I think into my posts. Obviously there’s an inherent struggle to coalesce on a lynch, but there’s an equal and opposite concern to not accidentally wind up with a quicklynch. I’m allergic to quicklynches. I kinda think that it could be a townpoint that you’re not harping on that, though, since you kicked up such a fuss about the quicklynches in the Vape game.
Urist Did you not get any scum-sense from the first round of posts?
It’s interesting that 3 players have fosed me but the two who voted put their vote on their other scumread. Not sure what to make of that, aside from a mathematical certainty that at least one of the people fosing me is scum. But, I’ll reiterate that I’d like for votes to be accompanied with thoughts about venge targets.
Bee still looks town to me. Urist looks more town in his second post. So does Nanook. Gonna have to seriatum that shit
Key’s second post feels the most meh of this round.
From most to least town:
Beeboy
Urist
Nanook
Key
Urist’s placement comes with a few footnotes and caveats. Sorry, Urist. I dunno, maybe in a more conversational format I’d get past caution about you. But, the preemptive defense of beeboy and me rankled some, though it’s balanced against being fosed by the rest of the player list.
Anyway, I’m probably voting in Nanook/Key unless something changes in the next round or two. Unfortunately, I’m not sure they make sense as a team.
VOTE: fferyllt
I didn’t read the rules carefully enough, I didn’t realise we couldn’t vote in our first posts.
Not reading the rules is scummy to you? I explained why I thought voting early is a towny thing to do. There must be some reasoning for why you think me thinking it is scummy beyond just disagreeing with the conclusion.
@Urist, I’m from mafiascum. I do generally feel like scum are more conservative about drawing attention to themselves unless I think the particular player is more risky, especially here where voting is independent.
I don’t think discussion about how we organise votes is a bad thing. The risk of scum using is as a copout is so much less than us screwing it up, and I’d rather provide something for discussion in the first post than a whole lot of nothing.
That’s a fair point that I didn’t really answer it myself though. I was kind of pulled between not being a fan of quicklynching, and being conscious of the coordination problems. Now that the game has started, it feels like there’s plenty to get a read on, so I’m not bothered by the prospect of voting too early.
My thoughts on beeboy haven’t really changed, still feeling town. The vote was interesting and follows from his stated intention to pressure early. His reads also seem fairly clear in how they’re formed.
I think I’m most keen to lynch ffery right now. She seems to be happy there’s data, but doesn’t really act on it - the paragraph on bee doesn’t have any sort of conclusion, the next two don’t look to contain much relevant information and end in “non townreads”.
The point on discussing vengekills is good though. ffery if you’re town and get lynched this phase, I think you probably have quality reads of your own to rely on. Mostly I’d say don’t kill beeboy.
@Urist I like your voting plan and I think this is what we should role with.
I was going to make my post in the morning but I kind of just started to talk to my family instead and now I don’t really have time to make a good post.
Me being town read is kinda odd to me? Although in the pregame thinking about how I’d solve a game before I get a role pm probably has a very negative impact on how easy it is to read me.
Ffery - I was expecting more out of her opening post in all honesty
Urist - The keychain questions were kind of weird in all honesty and I didn’t find them overly productive.
Nanook - I actually think this post is a good look, although I tend to town read people who call me bad as a justification for a read because I think I come off as someone who is easy to buddy which is a really flawed reason that I probably just get lucky with using.
Keychain - I am really neutral on this post and am waiting for other posts.
I am honestly back to the drawing board now but I am not sure if thats just because I put very low effort into this phase.
As a side note Elli not counting my vote was robbery.
I am sort of back to the drawing board on what I want to do.
VOTE: Key
Effers, I don’t fully understand why Key making a wrong analysis of how voting works is good because you like the effort, but me making an accurate analysis of how voting works (that is grounded in reality, mind you, unlike Key’s), gets squinty eyes. Like, according to you, myself and Key are saying similar things (we aren’t, but you seem to think we are)…except I understand the rules and they don’t, and she gets townread while I get sussed? How does that make sense?
I do like the thing about venge shot ideas attached to a vote, that’s something I hadn’t thought of, so props there.
Key, we aren’t really saying the same things–IT IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO VOTE IN THEIR FIRST POST. Read the rules, they aren’t that long, this just reads as disingenuous to me and possibly a way to fake activity and manufacture town reads.
Beeboy, 1) I’m closer to saying what Urist is than what Key is. 2) I don’t understand where the Effers read comes from at all.
Urist, agreed, I think that makes sense. Post lists in post 5, vote in post 6, lynch deviants in post 7.
Keeping my vote on Key for now. Urist looks towny to me. Effers is looking tentatively better, I think. Bee had a “too dumb to be scum” opening but I don’t love their second post. And Key I think is just wasting time.
@fferyllt
I don’t see how you can get a townfeel from Key for his concern over quickhammers and not get the same feel from my concern over the same thing. I also don’t see your reasoning behind the townread on beeboy for his post; how is it easier for scum to open in a game like this?
@Key
Your original conclusion was wrong. The fact that we might get an early hammer from RVS is so obvious that nobody missed it, and that’s exactly why it would have been scummy for somebody to vote at that point. Especially if it were one of the players with a lot of mafia experience, it would have just looked like scum trying to take advantage of the situation. So no, it would not have been an easy push on town. You also forget the fact that scum can’t talk this game (to your credit), so if I were scum I’d have no way of knowing whether my partner planned on an RVS vote, so I could have just as easily been setting up an easy push on scum.
I do agree with you on ffery, though.
@beeboy
I don’t get why you voted, assuming you’re as unconfident in your clem read as you appear to be. Would you have been happy with a Clem lynch right then and there? If not, why did you vote? And do you think that he might have not known what to post, and resorted to theory spec instead? I’m also reaaaally leery over the fact that you would be ok with voting for ffery over her lack of content despite the fact that she posted slightly more than you did. Looks like it could be distancing tbh.
@Nanook
Same as beeboy, I have absolutely no idea why you’re voting Key here when it doesn’t look like you’d be ok with a Key lynch at this point. Your reasoning for the vote is not good either, someone having bad reads or misguided reasoning is not an indication of scum.
@All
I’m not sure why people are voting already. Seems like a recipe for disaster to me. beeboy and Nanook get minor scum points for chancing an early lynch despite it already being discussed how easy and bad for us that would be.
Phase 1.2 Votes:
fferyllt (1): Key
Key (1): Nanook
Didn’t Vote (3): fferyllt, beeboy, Urist
PHASE 1.3 WILL END October 15, 2018 1:00 PM OR WHEN ALL POSTS ARE SUBMITTED.
Round 3 Keychain looks opportunistic. I was the most fosed player, and there’s the vote. It’s also damning that her venge kill advice is “you’ve got reads, you decide, but don’t venge your top townread”. I don’t see how that’s even vaguely a town thought process. From her perspective, if I’m town and lynched, then if I shoot town, town loses. Not wanting input into that decision is antitown. “Don’t venge your top townread”, is useless input. I look forward to how this stance evolves, given my current reads put her at the bottom.
Further,
She seems to be happy there’s data, but doesn’t really act on it - the paragraph on bee doesn’t have any sort of conclusion, the next two don’t look to contain much relevant information and end in “non townreads”.
Doesn’t act on data? Seriously? The conclusion was that Bee was a townread at the moment, and it’s at the bottom of my post. I was townreading you on tone from your first post, but that read has evaporated completely with your following posts.
Nanook my initial townlean on Key was based more on tone and just liking that she was thinking about how to make this format work than on the specifics. With you in round 1 it was also very much a tonal read.
Urist the difference between how I think scum and town would enter this game comes down to having an agenda based on knowledge and being completely open to what the data. Basic stuff! I didn’t sense agenda-like thoughts from beeboy’s posts dispite the sparseness.
Loving Urist’s recent posts. If you lynch me, I won’t shoot in that direction. Nanook also moves more townward.
Would scum-Key try to point away from shooting her partner (e.g. is beeboy her partner?), or is it minimizing the info in her venge advice by suggesting I not venge the top of my townpile?
So, right now my reads are (Town to Scum)
Urist
Nanook
Beeboy
Key
VOTE: Urist
Nanook, please stop ragging on about the rules mistake as if it’s alignment indicative, especially when you already acknowledged that we’d made similar points. I would have said it was obvious I’d have looked it up after the first time you mentioned it, making it totally unnecessary to capslock at me in subsequent rounds, but it looks like ffery and Urist missed it as well so maybe that wasn’t a given. I’ve read them all the way through now.
On the other hand I do think that your concern over being accurately understood indicates town, I just don’t understand this push.
I do agree with this somewhat.
In general Urist seems to be making a lot of statements about how they would be forming reads (particularly regarding voting - eg someone voting in opening post being scummy, someone not voting before 5 being scummy, bee and Nanook being scummy for voting too early - plus the @all in #14 that never went anywhere) but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of commitment behind the reads, just a universal semi-scumread.
However I’ll agree with the list thing, it only works if everyone’s on board. I haven’t really checked to see if the guaranteeing a majority thing is true though.
Preferable venge-target here if wrong - I want to say ffery but I’m a little more unsure on that now and I’m not sure why. Maybe Nanook?
beeboy is my only real townread here which would be concerning if there weren’t only two town to identify. The combination of reasonably clear reads with substance while also seeming kind of distant is like… if scum are going to put in the effort to fake realistic reads I would feel like the engagement would also be visible, this does genuinely look like town sharing what he’s got.
I need to miss this phase sorry guys.
VOTE: Key
Hey guys, kinda brief in this post, cause RL.
Effers, no, nobody could’ve voted in their first post. It’s literally impossible. It’s in the rules that they can’t.
Usually I agree with you about quicklynches…but I kinda think in a vengeful game, it’s not the worst thing that could happen? Especially in this format? I don’t super love the idea, but I would rather a quick lynch happen than no lynch.
Key, not reading the rules is NAI. Purposely misrepping the rules so you can manufacture activity and bogus townreads? That’s scummy. That’s what I’m saying you’re doing.
Beeboy is about as bleh as it gets right now, not really sure how to parse that.
Urist, what makes you think I wouldn’t be ok with a Key lynch? Cause I totally would be ok with a key lynch…otherwise I wouldn’t have voted them. Maybe I haven’t been clear enough about that?but yeah, I’m happy with lynching Key.
Will be better next posting phase, sorry guys and gals! Still think it’s Key, not sure what to think of Effers and beeboy, but pretty sure it isn’t Urist.
@fferyllt
I did not really get a scum sense from the first round of posts. I’m assuming you just threw this in so that you’d have something to ask me, since you didn’t seem to have any scumreads from the first round either. What do you find town about beeboy?
@Key
It’s funny that you vote ffery for not giving proper reads, but then turn around at the end of your post and tell her that she has quality reads to rely on for the vig shot. How do you reconcile accusing ffery of not giving solid conclusions in her post, with telling ffery that if we lynch her she should act on her quality reads?
@beeboy
I’m glad I accused you of distancing from ffery in your second post, because in your third post you appear to be townreading Nanook, but not falling back to your ffery scumread, despite saying that you expected more. Why were you willing to vote for Clem but not ffery? Did your ffery scumread just disappear? I don’t get it.
@Nanook
Dislike how you agreed that giving venge suggestions was a good idea while neglecting to actually follow through (you didn’t provide any for Key). Also dislike the vote and push on Key in general. You realize that he couldn’t read your 2nd post while writing his own, right? So he didn’t read the part where you told him that he was wrong about the rules. So the yelling at Key is really over the top. And I think that you’re the only one who actually read that rule correctly soo yeah. I am also interested in hearing about how you think that pretending to misread the rules so that they can throw out manufactured town reads (???) would be a decent strategy for scum. Occam is spinning like a top in his grave right now. Also the fact that you’re not freaking out at ffery for doing the same thing (or seeing that and reconsidering your read on Key) is suspect.
@Nobody
At this point I’d probably vote for beeboy > Nanook >> ffery >> Key. If beeboy and Nanook are scum together, beeboy is the godfather, but I am marginally more confident on Nanook-scum.
Phase 1.3 Votes:
Urist (1): Key
Key (1): Nanook
Didn’t Vote (3): fferyllt, beeboy, Urist
PHASE 1.4 WILL END October 16, 2018 1:00 PM OR WHEN ALL POSTS ARE SUBMITTED.
The asynchronous aspect of this game is messing with my head.
Key, I don’t understand why you changed your vote. I like your analysis of Beeboy, but I disagree with you about Urist. He has a multifaceted approach to mafia, and I’ve noticed in other games (my DS9 game and Superheroes) that as town he gnaws on the setup more than the average player does.
beeboy Your last reads list, you had issues with all four other players. How is that sorting out?
Nanook I was hot under the collar when I wrote my phase 1.3 post, but I’ve calmed down a little re wanting to lynch Key. Urist’s point about the amount of appetite for her lynch is solid. At the very least, she’s not the Godfather. I’m coming around to believing my initial reaction to your initial post was accurate.
Urist I follow and somewhat agree with you about the amount of appetite for a Key lynch suggesting she isn’t scum, though she could be the goon getting bussed, I guess? I’m having trouble shaking my beeboy read, but I think he does make some sense as a Nanook partner. Going back to look at his clem-vote post, it would be a decent position for scum because he left himself room to pivot onto anyone.
I’d really like to have another solid townread. 
From town to scum:
{Urist}
{beeboy, key}
{Nanook}