Ok. Let’s rewind. I started pushing you today, at the time along with AD as you were claiming masons, which in every game except this one apparently means that you’re almost certainly both scum or both town. One of the things you responded with implied that you and AD didn’t have to be scum together. My response at the time was that if one of you was scum, you both were.
More recently, I pointed out that it was weird of you to put that in thread when you knew your alignments weren’t connected but were misleading everyone that they were. Your response to that makes zero sense, because of course nobody was making a case you weren’t scum together, you two (and your scum buddy, of course) are the only two that knew you weren’t masons, so why would anyone make a case for one of being scum and the other being town?
Also, you use too many double negatives and it’s super confusing to try and parse.
Uh…why? If you have someone that is 100% convinced you’re town and will never listen to an argument that you’re not and will never vote you, why would you kill them? That makes no sense.
You complained that nobody was making a case for you both to be scum, just assuming it (by nobody, I assume/d you meant me). I’ll track it down when I’m caught up.
Tbf my case on Andres isn’t really about him lying about being masons. I mean, obviously that’s an implicit part of the case and has been, but it’s not, like, the key reason. I do think that was anti-town, and I do think the way he handled it was scummy whereas you were just anti-town, but I’m also not cats screaming lynch all liars from the corner like a deranged madman.
I vaguely remember the post but I think my evaluation at the time was that we may have naturally slipped in that momentarily he didn’t act in accordance with us being masons since he knew we weren’t and briefly foisted that perspective on a town that couldn’t have had it at the time.
I haven’t really been paying attention to your back and forth so it’s hard to follow the arguments.
And I think that perspective slip is more likely to come from scum that wants to make it harder to lynch them (and knows that both neighbors aren’t town) than town faking masons because they’re so sure of their neighbors alignment.
You’re misunderstanding my post, but that’s not surprising since now you’re trying really hard to convince others that I’m Scum. What I was trying to get at is that you weren’t making individual and collective cases for the both of us as Scum, but just saying there’s Scum in a neighborhood. By placing emphasis there I was trying to make the case that you couldn’t just Scum read me, you had to Scum read the both of us and should make arguments for the both of us. Again, if I’m Scum and AD is Town, then I continue to push this and never reveal that we’re not actually Masons. Which presumably I would have known already.
Sure, as scum I’ll sometimes NK players townreading me. That’s not what we’re talking about here. There is no way in a million years AD ever voted for you, because in his eyes you are/were locktown. That’s incredibly valuable as scum. So yeah, no, I don’t see why scum would NK their neighbor in that scenario.
I don’t understand why you’re not even questioning that the most important problem with the case you were previously making against me came from me. Today. I could have waited. I could have had you lynched. I did none of that. That this is not problematic to you at all is my biggest issue.
I did question it though, and concluded it wasn’t AI.
Like, from what’s been disclosed, it seems obvious there wasn’t a dscussion of “Hey I know we’re not masons, but let’s say we are.” So as far as scumAndres would know, AD genuinely thought you were honest to god masons, not neighbors. That’s incentive to out when MS posted the message in your neighborhood (to give credit where due, I think Urist covered this, and I agreed with his conclusion).
So yeah, that’s pretty much NAI. If anything, I’d say it’s a little weirder as town to do, since you already knew you weren’t real masons but were pretending to be anyways…whereas scum has some incentive to do as discussed above, plus there’s a bit of WIFOM they can try to inject into things, like you’re doing here. Overall though, yeah, pretty much NAI.
But if I’m already hiding it, why does the message prompt me to come out and say it? It would have made no difference to me. And AD already said that he knew that we weren’t actual Masons, but that for all intents and purposes we are. So again, I don’t actually have any incentive to say anything.