or hes a strongman, or x shot. theres a lot of possibilities.
irrelevant. his immediate reaction should be at least some hesitation, he didnt attack cabd at all.
also, the odds scum redirect town to the nk (dumb) and a separate townie tracks said redirected person is very low. its possible, occams razor etc tho.
for the record, the Pah-Wraiths flavour would very strongly support a âpossessionâ mechanic where the scum is able to perform the nightkill âthroughâ another player. i.e. track-frame.
Like literally the entities known as Pah-Wraiths were only able to manipulate our space by possessing someone.
I do like that concept better, as coming from fairlylit fferyllt, and any idea of a roleblock is right out per what both cabd and MS have claimed.
It could still be a RB if Cabd is lying.
Maybe. Iâm not as recollecting of what fairlylit fferyllt prefers on roleblock messaging. The âsleepwalkingâ claim has me stumped a bit there, and the PM from the dead is most perplexing if true. I really have a hard time swallowing that. And if itâs⌠something⌠it seems more like a role interruption than a legit block. But if MS indeed had an action that was being attempted, it makes a sleepwalk roleblock maybe easier to see, more along the lines of the oldschool Hooker/Prostitute designation.
MS took a good long while to divulge/come up with the counter claim.
Not really. At the very least, he claimed that âsomething bad happened to himâ a few hours after Cabd implied a tracker guilty.
also, to be clear a role cop would get an inno on a Miller.
See, hours is an eternity in the 24/12 world Iâm from.
What gives me pause on MS is that the counter is pretty creative. I donât know if that fits with an MS caught in that situation previously.
If that was the point I was trying to make I would have long ago hammered this home, from scum!Nanook:
Summary
Urist to Screen: Like a quarter of your posts this game were directed at Nanook, how do you not remember.
Rereading the push I gotta retract my statement about it looking town. A lot of the stuff is just you trying to paint or reframe Nanookâs actions to make them look scummier. Like here:
Screen: He also shaded the Miller claim by saying itâs something scum would do on his homesite.
Screen: But you ask for a cc.
Lol.
So you donât trust claims but want someone else to claim.
On top of that you wanted everyone to claim to begin with.
Urist: These things arenât really scummy. In the latter quote, I would say that Nanook asking for a CC is weird, but itâs only tangentially related to his ask for a massclaim (and even then, asking for a CC is consistent with being pro-claim). As for the former quote, saying that Nanook âshadedâ the miller claim is a stretch for sure, what Nanook said was this:
Nanook: Canât say whether itâs likely or not at this point, but fwiw, scum fake claiming Miller is a thing that would happen on my home site. Also not sure how that translates to the meta here, if at all.
Urist: Doesnât look like shading to me, just looks like him acknowledging the possibility of a miller fakeclaim.
You werenât even in the game when that happened. 
This makes sense, Scum took control of Metal to make the kill,hoping that a town cop tracker investigative role would see Metal make the kill.
I guess the only question is what are the odds that the town investigative role would chose to see the âviewâ Metal?
On the other hand, odds can be funny things.
1/ Maybe it would have worked if the investigation was of _fferyllt?
which means the odds were two out of all the players not one.
2/ Metal did flag PR, so perhaps it seemed reasonable to scum that metal would be investigated and they were?
3/ I have seen funnier coincidences before in Mafia, more than once I have seen the same player be targeted for the NK by both vig and scum.
The Tracker claim has not been Counter Claimed.:shrug:
So maybe I am wrong and they are both town?
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stop overthinking
just lynch metal you reckon?
So nanook tried shading the miller claim and now urist wants is to take head of nanook words and lynch the Miller.
Am I getting this right?
if he is town he should be very confident I am town. But, heâs not admitting it instead did some gaslighting on me. Also, heâs saying that itâs pointless/scummy/whatever fluffy negative term to try to work things out by game balance analysis (iirc itâs part of his opaque move on Urist) and yetâŚheâs making out that heâs got a direct line into the GMâs head about what roles she would likely be using. E.g. miller - he said itâs a common role elsewhere: my experience of ffery games is itâs NOT common with her game set ups
@cabd you have made a slam dunk claim against MS; why are you not voting there? also fyi I asked @MetalSonic a reverse-type question here Deep Space 9 Mafia - Day 2 but they did not answer me
I donât get why you and MS are not trying to sort the other
itâs about occams razor
metal could be town in a hypothetical world, sure. odds are hes not and this is not something that will be resolved by ignoring it. hes a very experienced player, weird bs in response to a guilty should be expected.
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