Deep Space 9 Mafia - Game Over!

[pyx]

It’s probably just cat jealousy.

[Urist]

Why would I take someone else’s word for something if I remembered the opposite being true?
My memory was wrong this time, but still.

(And btw, as far as I know what I said wasn’t incorrect; scum usually don’t have daytalk in long games, they just do in ffery games).

[Srceenplay]

Can you go over the urist and nanook interactions?

[Urist]

i am pretty much sitting around waiting for cabd or his replacement to claim.
i swear to god if he pops in with another “gonna take this game into my own hands now” right before he’s replaced, i’m gonna flip the fuck out.

[MetalSonic]

Afkcabd

[cabd]

Yeah so my grand plans of interacting with the day met IRL shit. So i’m not gonna get anything else out of slowrolling.

Metal, do you have an active night ability? Yes or no?

[Josh]

prodgr

[Urist]

your big reveal is really a tracker claim? :\

[Mantis]

Well MS did sort of soft claim something before. He said - he would rather see what happens after PR results.

[Mantis]

And that’s not so bad of a reveal, especially if it can be verified.

I’m happy with not lynching cabd.

It means we can look elsewhere… Like, screenplay : )

[Mantis]

Screen & cats…

[Mantis]

Deep Space 9 Mafia - Day 2

I just want to go to night and solve this with PRs

[cabd]

A tracker claim to a specific target.

A very specific target.

That only makes sense with like… maybe one or two roles out there, hence the line of questioning?

[MetalSonic]

that’s top secret

[MetalSonic]

I will say that I know someone visited me last night

[MetalSonic]

and I believe that player did bad things to me

[Urist]

ME did you target someone last night or not?

[Urist]

MS you should just claim your target, and Cabd can confirm or deny it.

[MetalSonic]

I will not do so

[Andresvmb (Andrés)]

Here are some highlights:

Mass reveals.

Horrible idea.

To give you a reason, I have no idea how useful my role is. It could be totally worthless or it could have an enormous impact. It all depends on what roles the scum have. That’s why I think it’s a bad idea.

Immediate response to Nanook’s reveal idea means he probably was not clued in about Nanook’s objective when asking for this.

What purpose would srceen have to false claim so early in the game?

Just thought of this, but if srceen is scum then his claim might be an attempt to flush out the cop that probably exists (given the miller claim).

If you aren’t CCed, then yeah, I’ll believe the clear.

meh. nook should know better than to say this, considering your fakeclaim in FlippuFlappuMafiu. you say that there is a scumslip but i don’t see it.

I understood the town purpose/utility of a fake claim in flip flappers. I don’t here, except maybe as bait to get a real cop to reveal. Hence my willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt at first glance, before it became obvious he was full of shit.

There was no utility or purpose behind the fake claim in flipflap, the only info srceen took from it is that my reaction looked fake, but I was town so. The claim did end up being somewhat useful in the end, but it was in a way that srceen neither expected nor detected. I would go as far as to say that the claim here is at least as senseless as the one in flippers.

I dunno, maybe it wasn’t helpful in the way he thought it would be…but I could, at the time, see how it could’ve been helpful. This is about what I thought of it, not what he did, isn’t it? In flip flappers, I saw how a fake claim could potentially have been helpful…here, I didn’t, not for town.

Here Urist is shading Nanook, and Nanook defends himself in a way that maybe reveals what you were up to? I only say this because Nanook is basically agreeing with Urist’s rationale for your fake claim (unless Urist is Scum of course, in which case this is an attempt to make you look really bad in hindsight). Also notice that only after it is very obvious that you were lying (by admitting that you had to reveal “page one”), Nanook then says that you’re “full of shit”. Urist also throws some additional shade your way, and Nanook seems to agree. But of course, he never came close to voting for you (Nanook that is - see #368).

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I agree that Nanook’s play here feels like he’s pulling his punches, but for now just gonna chalk that up to him being busy and not being able to connect to the game as fully as he’d like.

Partly that…but also, like, I do sometimes try to hold back punches a bit until I have a really solid idea I’m punching scum.

If you don’t have any restraint, you just end up creating a toxic and unfun game.

This is Urist agreeing with me about Nanook’s play, and Nanook (shockingly) agreeing as well.

Srceenplay, you voted for Nanook in #667. I had forgotten about that. That’s after voting for Cats (placing him close to a lynch) in #660. You did move your vote to ActionDan without much of an explanation in #697, so I don’t know whether any of that is indicative of much. The suspicion around Nanook did seem to be growing, so you moving away from him is not a good sign in my mind.

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#725 from Urist is worth a re-read. There, he’s partly defending Nanook and attacking you, because of the way you had gone about describing some of Nanook’s actions. Not a direct interaction, but still. You responded in #770 by again arguing that Nanook’s CC request was Scummy.

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VOTE: ActionDan
I’m ok with lynching this.

…why?

In flipflap it took us forever to lynch the lurking scum Elli even though he did nothing but promise to deliver content sometime in the future. Don’t really want to make the same mistake this game.
I actually decided at the beginning of the game that I’d be voting for an inactive on d1. Hence why my votes have been on AKFD, Josh, AD today.

I really dislike this. A lurker vote is a really easy place for scum to hide, and generates very little accountability.

Lurker votes should be a last ditch, “well, nobody else looks like scum, guess it must be a lurker” thing, not something you come in with as a plan.

I mean, I do have town reads on a lot of the game. If I had strong scumpings about somebody else I’d be voting for them instead.
If AD flips town feel free to hold me accountable. I’ve already posted about my feelings re: him. I’m not entirely voting him just because he’s lurking. I do think there’s an alright chance that he’s scum, after my conversation with Mantis last night.

That’s much more reasonable.

Speaking of mantis, that reminds me, I have an outstanding question to you! And/or to her, I suppose.

How well do you two usually read each other?

Nanook changing his mind so quickly about potentially flipping ActionDan makes me think that Judge Mental is probably Town. Here, Nanook seems to be shading Urist’s process just to make him look bad. Could also be read as Nanook trying to protect ActionDan, but then why change your mind so quickly? Urist was left with the impression that Nanook was trying to protect ActionDan (see #946), but from re-reading it’s not how I interpreted it at first. However, Nanook then partly agrees with Urist’s interpretation, but only as it pertains to lurkers, and not ActionDan specifically (see #950). So, not entirely sure we can use this to deduce Judge Mental’s alignment.

oh yeah. I’ve actually not played in the same game as her very many times, honestly. I think she may have seen me as scum once, but for sure we’ve never been in a game together where she was scum.
If you count face to face mafia, we’re pretty accurate on reading each other. Close to 100%. But it’s not really the same thing.

Reading includes townreading—I play with a pair of siblings on my home site a lot that basically always scum read each other, for example.

o ok. In that case I think we read each other pretty well. In Twits we were right about calling each other town. I just don’t know whether Mantis can fool me as scum.

Ok, cool. That’s what I was looking for!

This series after the push against ActionDan seems rather innocuous. I don’t know what to make of Nanook agreeing about Mantis likely being Town in this game, but seems to trust Urist’s view. I suppose it’s hard to Scum read most of the game and still look like Town.

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The catspurr wagon is really awful. Mantis, why are you not voting for ActionDan?
The excuse that “it’s not very informative” is not great. Like this is why lurking is such a great strategy for scum, people refuse to lynch you because your lynch doesn’t give enough info.

@Nanook how can you say that catspurr is a solid wagon when the only people on it are you, ActionDan (absentee), and Josh (who clearly doesn’t care)?

Urist here strongly shading Nanook’s push for Cats (together with everyone on that wagon, and asking Mantis to step out of it). Note that Nanook doesn’t address these questions, just addresses Urist’s points about potentially flipping ActionDan (later in the same post), and leaves it open ended.

Like, under the right circumstances, lynching a lurker is perfectly fine and good…I just don’t think it’s late enough in the day to fall back to that yet.

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This is only through #950. I’ll get back to the rest when I have some more time.

Some side notes:

Parsec placed Nanook at the top of his reads list (as in, most likely to be Town) in #242.

Nanook defending Srceen in #790, #800, #819 and #845 about him constantly forgetting his reasoning for votes gives me bad vibes, and I am finding it hard to defend given the context of the game up to that point, when both of them had been attacking each other. It reads a bit like a pivot (Srceenplay acknowledged as much in #831). Sadly, it worked for me (#858), but I’m sure Nanook did not expect to be flipped after D1.

Cabd was pretty sure about his vote on Nanook in #817, saying that he remembers how Nanook plays as Scum. Urist aggressively questioned the vote in #829, saying that Cabd should provide his reasoning or otherwise he just seems to be playing it safe.