Alright, so I’m confirmed town (I didn’t get any roleblock feedback, but I assume that is normal? GG would never change her mind without telling us, would she?).
I realized a mistake in my reasoning yesterday (some people had expressed it before me, so it applies to them too): YBW could have been the last killer on the list, which would mean he isn’t excluded from having been framed by a killer while being a killer.
VOTE: Spak
Strictly PoE-caused vote.
Honestly, I don’t know what to make of this. Makes one claim, then makes another consideration, but then doesn’t put two and two together to not even realize the consideration they made thereafter partially counters their earlier claim.
In the same post.
Also I wanted to comment yesterday that I’ve really noticed that with Luft.
I’m not sure if I can tell that’s super AI either way because from what I’ve seen or remember his voting flys a lot more often as either alignment and earlier too.
But I think Luft is just town.
I’ll die on the YBW + Spak as last killers decision.
On second reconsideration, I think my read on YBW was preety bad in terms of how it compares to how I usually make reads.
I’ve come to notice that when I look for “scum mindsets” and “town mindsets”, that’s two different things and can have different implications in how I read people, and I need to reflect on that further post-game.
Also its not a good-look how more than 3/4’ths of YBW’s posting is on January 12th and 13th.
I think I needlessly valued his fluffing and didn’t really look for much solving, hence a critical error in evaluating YBW.
I wonder if Spak really thought Erika was a killer 
Because of the flip, in the above post, he has to conclude himself as a killer xD
Wait. But that would mean he didn’t know that the 2nd killer no-killed, meaning that he must be the “last” killer on the list.
I think we have an interesting opportunity here.
If YBW is 2nd killer, then Spak is also killer.
If YBW is last killer, then Luft may be 2nd killer instead, and we’ll count that as “Martin doesn’t know how to read Luft”
If YBW is town though…well we might lose given how it’ll be a 1v1 between the killers.
Edit (Since other people have done editing as well):
Presuming Golden followed this one then that must mean, according to what I think right now, that YBW is instigator and Spak is Enforcer.
So, VOTE: YouButScum
Edit 2: Grammatical error correction.
sorry I like completely forgot about this game since I thought we had it locked with erika as killer
and then they didn’t flip killer
Also the only other FM I was in finished so I should be able to pay more attention to this
I do believe you are town, but you technically aren’t confirmed
Hey all, just checking in real quick from work. Haven’t read up, but whatever you do, DO NOT put anyone at L-1. We’re in MyLo here unless Killer hits Killer tonight, and I don’t want any “accidental” hammers. YBW seems autolock for killer for this game to make any sense imo (I’d be willing to gamble my life on it), and I’d have to reread Martin/Luft to find the last one (unless Andres is killer, in which case gg lol). I was pretty sure they were TvT, but I’m gonna try to ISO every slot left before EoD. I should be on sometime after 7:00 PM, but have to get back to working rn.
I shouldn’t post when sleep-deprived. Ignore my first paragraph lol.
I did vote, btw. I voted Erika (I even think I did early on yesterday, just not sure), and I pushed and voted GG on D1 (maybe not glorious, but still).
I would like to selfishly note this is probably the hardest town-slip I ever done
I didn’t even note that I was confirmed town (when that’s not true for anyone else’s pespective) and yet I treated it as such without even proclaiming it
Edit: Grammar and clarification.
Well, I was referring to the frequency of voting overall, not that you did or didn’t vote someone.
Whatever. You’re probably more likely town than not, and that’s where I am at right now.
So you’re admitting to have not cared about finding, discussing, or thinking who are the other killers during that time?
Also, you only said this and never really did it:
I mean, the whole big post after that is you having some neutral-ish interactions with many people and no real killer/scum-hunting.
Its just posturing to look town without doing anything.
Last time I checked his ISO, I saw no significant solving attempts, which means his posts were mostly fluff. How did you make a critical error in evaluating that, seeing how both are corollary?
I’m willing to vote him btw, I just won’t for now to avoid quick hammers.
Because people make mistakes some times…? :shrug:
A short tl;dr of it is that I saw no immediate scum purpose to them; no agenda. I failed to consider excessive fluffing as well.
I was dumbfounded by Erika flip tbh. Based on their activity, I couldn’t see a world where town!Erika happens. I also didn’t think that a NK with a confirmed killer would happen, but here we are…
I’m strongly of the opinion that TBW is one of the killers. My ISO of him yesterday still holds, and it’s hard for me to imagine the possibility of two of Luft/Martin/Andres being scum (Luft v. Martin being SvS reading as TvT would be super unlikely without scumchat imo).