Stormy Seas (NSIMI Game A)

[M2H (gamethrowing prodigy)]

my middle name is propaganda

[M2H (gamethrowing prodigy)]

sike my actual middle name is andrew

[Sloonei]

andrew the propa panda

[Sloonei]

Why is Doggo mafia?
I entered the game by beefing with this post, but I pledged to look for reasons to suspect everybody so I’m going to restate my gripe in more words (because I haven’t said enough already).

where is hannah, she’s the only reason I signed up :[

@Nanook how much of cross game communication is allowed? Initially I would have assumed none was allowed, but chesskid has talked to us it seems like he’s allowed to do that?

I did not like this initial question because I could see it as a sort of phony pandering maneuver. “Look how concerned I am about this thing, fellow townies. I am so concerned that I shall demand an answer POSTHASTE!” My kneejerk reaction was admittedly influenced by my own preference to have questions like this directed at the host in private, but we can put that to the side for this exercise. This was the first real post of our game, but its focus was turned outward to the other game.

I know nothing about chesskid other than him being butthurt when others called him out for making questionable draft decisions in m2h’s draft. Scum outing one of their own in an effort to protect them seems super weird though, but I guess there’s still a universe where a) scum chesskid is trying to townclaim a townie to get cred and/or b) scum chesskid is trying to make sure that kimpossible somehow gets dragged into game B via the weird dead-players-can-move-living-players mechanic that I don’t understand yet, or just c) chess is town telling the truth.

Admittedly I thought this paragraph was less substantial at first glance. Doggo produces a read on chesskid here that I don’t disagree with, which would then imply a corresponding read on kimpossible, who is in this game with us. For the sake of finding something to criticize, I’ll note that Doggo says nothing about Kim at all except for an indirect mention. His focus, again, remains on the player who’s not here.

@Nanook did scum have any rules where they HAD to place a minimum of X players in each game? If so, what is X? If not, then does that mean it’s entirely possible that there’s no scum in one of the games at gamestart? What happens if a watcher or vig targets a player who moves between A and B during the night they were targeted?

This is where I got the more serious “How do you do, fellow town” vibes from Doggo. This is a mechanical question that I’m not particularly interested in at the outset of Day 1. I felt as though Doggo was making a big public show of his concern for the things covered in this post, with this as the most glaring example.

Whether or not I believe in any of these things is irrelevant. I present all of this simply as a topic to be discussed.

[Sloonei]

Fatmo is town. All the words in their post suggest so. Moving on to M2H. Again, I am purposely trying to read folks as bad in this exercise:

also doggo don’t be mad but im pretty sure you’re town because otherwise I doubt you’d be trying to policy lynch me lmao.

Doggo was critical of M2H before he showed up in the thread. M2H produced this easy town read because of it, which I could see as an effort to appease the player who’s already on his keister early Day 1. Similarly:

I think sloonei is probably town.

Big Loud Spice Jar gets an easy town read too.

I normally try to understand people’s motivation. I guess my biggest selling point is a player is that I don’t get mislynched which innately provides utility to the town because if I don’t get lynched, that means there’s an extra lynch to try to hit scum.

My reads are kinda garbage though, I’m working on trying to play more conservatively.

I also don’t love the self-deprecation at the end of this reflection. Could be M2H trying to either undersell himself or trying to preemptively excuse some future behavior. This is not a read that I could say is established yet, as it hinges on future events which may or may not happen.

[UFOFever (Derek)]

I’m here. I’m jet lagged. I glanced at the opening couple posts but figured I should just check in first before I start reading.

I did see the post where Kim is claimed to be in a cross game mason group because I saw the @. At first thought I’m inclined to go along with it because I think that’s a pretty bold scum play to open it up with. I’m going to eat and catch up. Although I should probably stress now that I really don’t plan on reading the other game unless I absolutely have to. Just don’t have that kind of time.

[Sloonei]

Why is Ellibereth mafia?

It’s deducible from my role info that urist and mantis are above rand scum.

I mean games played doesn’t designate how much above rand you expect to read someone.

Basically how much better would you do than someone randing their read on a particular person. The vast majority of people are around rand on almost everyone else despite how else they think.

This type of post is bound to set of my alarms, but I am willing to look past it because it seems to be a facet of Ellibereth’s approach. My objection, in a vacuum, would be that this post does nothing to acknowledge the content which comprises the actual game that we are all playing right now. Its focus is elsewhere, but it is pretending to be on topic.
But if I read this post in the context of an enigmatic new (to me) player, then I can see this as the foundation of that player’s approach to this particular mafia game.

If I am attempting to scum read Ellibereth at this exact moment, I do not see that they have produced any content that moves the game forward, but the implication of our exchange is that “content” is a dirty word to them. So I’m just twiddling my thumbs and squinting my eyes at this ISO right now. I do not know what this playstyle looks like in action, so I’ll need to see it to understand.

[Sloonei]

VOTE: DoggoPlays again because I feel the most substantial beef that I have is with them.

[UFOFever (Derek)]

the part where you don’t know is synonymous with the problem in the first place.

Still catching up but oh wow Kim and Fatmo, is this what I sound like on playdip?

[UFOFever (Derek)]

an air of concern? I asked the hosts questions so I would know the rules, there was no air of concern and if you’re a town reading that you’re so bad.

wut scum in their right mind would EVER jump into a thread with 10 angry posts? This is why you need to git gud.

I play like 90% angry. Well, not angry per se, but…antagonistic and snarky.

God I’m going to have the recurring problem of making 7 consecutive posts a lot again, aren’t I?

[Ellibereth (Elli)]

God I’m going to have the recurring problem of making 7 consecutive posts a lot again, aren’t I?

I raised the limit to 10. Legitimate use of multiposts are fine, just not the
ONE
WORD
PER
POST

thing

though we’ll talk to those people when that happen on a case by case basis.

[UFOFever (Derek)]

What conclusions did you draw, if any? How much emphasis do you think should he placed on solving events in the other thread as opposed to this one?

Okay just as a general rule, if there’s a question you need to ask the GM, especially regarding rules based questions, you put it in the thread. Every time. Still ask privately sure, but town needs to know what’s being asked that way we can verify answers.

[Ellibereth (Elli)]

I can install an emoji package if you have it.

@Sloonei this is serious by the way.
Can also add any particular one offs’

[UFOFever (Derek)]

I normally try to understand people’s motivation. I guess my biggest selling point is a player is that I don’t get mislynched which innately provides utility to the town because if I don’t get lynched, that means there’s an extra lynch to try to hit scum.

My reads are kinda garbage though, I’m working on trying to play more conservatively.

What do you mean “playing more conservatively?” Apologies if you answer this later.

Also, @Fatmo I definitely played with Elli and M2H that other game I was here. Elli was able to almost immediately and accurately townread me. M2H I honestly remember nothing about insert shruggie

[M2H (gamethrowing prodigy)]

I tend to throw too many reads around that I don’t have high confidence in, that I then have to go and correct towards end game.

@UFOFever

[UFOFever (Derek)]

why are they above rand scum

Oh and one more @Ellibereth, is Mantis a nickname for M2H or is Mantis a player in the other game?

[Ellibereth (Elli)]

Mantis and Urist are both players in the other game.

[Sloonei]

The policy of asking the host questions in private is implemented to prevent the potential for any revealing information about the player who is asking the question, or for players to try to gain credibility through their public displays of asking the host questions.

Questions are ALWAYS answered publicly by the host. It’s just preferable (in my opinion) for players to ask them in private so that the act of asking the question itself does not become part of the game.

I never intended to be critical of the policy here (the policy I’m speaking of isn’t even universally recognized on the Syndicate and we’ve only started pushing for it recently) and it is certainly the worst case scenario for a host to receive a general question in private and then only answer it for the person who asked it. I’d never ever advocate for that and I definitely was not suggesting doggo should have done that here.

[UFOFever (Derek)]

Just caught that lol. Never hide reads from the group. Even weak ones

[Ellibereth (Elli)]

Just caught that lol. Never hide reads from the group. Even weak ones

Strongly disagree with this given that I’m the one who gave M2H the advice in question.