M16 Game Thread

[EricKline]

thats fair

but those mechanical suspicion are founded in, and further more brought up by your generally scummy behavior around your accusations against me yesterday and the style of which you are choosing to discount my arguments, which is not characteristic of town!squirrel

lets be clear, i’d be voting you today regardless of weather or not I was vengeful

[Arete]

@Ari_2412

Okay, I mean yeah…

But, let’s say he’s a wolf, what other info does that give us? If he’s town, what other info does that give us?

If we voted you out, and you were a wolf, that would make me trust Orange. If you aren’t a wolf, that moves up Orange on my potential scum list.

if he’s a wolf, then it would point strongly to Eric being V, since he clearly didn’t care which wagon went over at EoD

I would probably also look at people who voted the eventual counterwagon for thin reasons? but I’d prefer not to elaborate further, since I don’t want wolves to be able to avoid doing the specific things I’m looking for

realistically in that case I would probably keep going with the ‘kill people who don’t care about the D1 wagons’ plan until it stopped working

if he flips town then … it tells me a lot less, like all town flips? like, I don’t think it’s suspicious to push villagers, most wolves don’t really push anyone because they don’t want to look sus. I might try to look for people who felt like they knew he was going to flip villa (like, not people who were townreading him necessarily, but people who seemed to have TMI)

[EricKline]

arete where are you reads rn?

[Arete]

relative to SoD…

Laser has moved up a lot for me, I basically buy his townslip with thinking there were only two Mafia as being legitimate/pure. (exception is if Orange is a wolf because I could see him coaching something like that but I don’t think so at the moment)

you’ve moved up for me a bit after re-reading your EoD, I already thought you were likely town but this firmed it up for me more

Squirrel’s fallen some, I had them as a townlean earlier but I wasn’t really a fan of how they responded to questioning + your argument about wolves not killing you kind of makes sense, they’re not a townlean for me anymore

JKbear’s fallen a lot, I had them at null overnight because I hadn’t really had the chance to look into them but when I looked into their EoD I wasn’t really a fan

Bepwei’s up a little, his EoD had a couple moments of investment that felt pure, would put him as a townlean

I kind of felt like Quin’s thought process in voting me was kind of wolfy, like they don’t really express a real read on me they’re just like ‘let’s see where it goes,’ which kind of makes me think that they have TMI that I’m town and don’t want to hardpush me? but I’m worried that I’m biased because it’s me. Just, like, Ari is pushing me but he’s actually willing to call me a wolf, which is way villagier than whatever Quin’s doing

everyone else is basically where I had them in the readlist I posted at SoD

SoD wall snipped for length

@Arete

reasonably comfortable town (unlikely to be a misclear here)

Ari - I think Ari’s motivation for choosing his numbers is very unlikely to be made up + very unlikely to come from Mafia. I also thought his reads were relatively free-flowing – it felt like he was bouncing organically from point to point, rather than trying to force them. (Also, in FM2 when we were Mafia together, he had a lot of trouble coming up with fake reads, like it took like half an hour to get him to come up with a player to list as his fake top townread)

clonedcheese - cloned’s instant suspicion that anyone who townreads him must be trying to pocket him is basically exactly what I expect from V!cloned, I also like how he’s actively attempting to push his reads even when they go against the consensus, rather than just letting the thread carry him places

Eric Kline - I think his EoD is fairly unlikely to come from a wolf, although Wolf Vengeful is super plausible + strong I think a wolf vengeful would be relatively less likely to actually claim vengeful, and more likely to just shoot whoever they most wanted dead. A lot of the things he’s done are kind of anti-town, but after re-reading them the thought process behind them makes sense (I just disagree with it)

townlean (possibly a misclear here)

orange - some of his early stuff was kind of , but his frustration later in the day felt genuine. although ultimately I’m just going to read him based on whether he gets pelts

Squirrel - they’ve been poking and prodding in a way that feels very genuine/not fakesolvey, also liked a couple things about their EoD

Cattypaws - see my Iso on them, I don’t have good or strong reasons to call them town but I think they’re more likely to be town than not

Gtacc - ditto

nullpile (n.b. this doesn’t distinguish between people who just aren’t doing anything and people who I haven’t taken a close look at)

JKBear331
GoalkeeperBoss
laserlab
TheFlash
Quin
bepwei

kind of wolfy

EricH - I’m not really a fan of how he was like ‘well if this elim is town then Arete is sus for starting it,’ even before they had flipped – it kind of felt like he had TMI that they were going to flip town and was trying to set up chain miselims

Kaylee - basically sheeping Orange’s case here, to be honest, I looked through it again during the night and it made sense to me

[Arete]

how about you, where’s your head at?

[gellnick (that random guy on discord)]

Vote Count

JKBear331 (3): Squirrel2412, Arete, orangeandblack5
Arete (2): Ari_2412, Quin
Squirrel2412 (1): EricKline
EricKline (1): clonedcheese
Quin (1): JKBear331

Not Voting (7): cattypaws_f, GoalkeeperBoss, laserlab, TheFlash, k.aylee2412, GTacc, bepwei

java.findMafia().

[Ari_2412]

@EricKline

Also @Ari_2412 I’d support you all say on a squirrel vote, then depending on flip we can re-explore the other two?

I’m back. I’m okay with voting squirrel, but I would rather vote Arete. Do you have issues with the Arete vote? Are you worried it’s maybe too much of a town power-move? Then again Squirrel isn’t a small move either

[Ari_2412]

@Arete

alright

walk me through your thought process

what do you think my motivation was for starting the wagon on 000peo?

I explained it earlier in the thread. You’ve had issues with how little 000peo has contributed to the town.

[Ari_2412]

@Arete

if he’s a wolf, then it would point strongly to Eric being V, since he clearly didn’t care which wagon went over at EoD

I see where you’re coming from

[Ari_2412]

My list

Don’t have a read:
cattypaws
laser
TheFlash
GTacc

Townlean:
Cheese
Quin

Neutral:
Kaylee
GKB

Scumlean:
The Klinester
Bepwei
JKBear

Scumread/lean:
Orange

Scumread:
Arete
Squirrel

[Ari_2412]

@cattypaws_f, @laserlab, @TheFlash, and @GTacc, I would appriciate it if you could share some thoughts.

[cattypaws_f]

Sorry I’m working on school, give me like an hour tops and I’ll be on

[Squirrel2412 (David E)]

@EricKline

[…] the style of which you are choosing to discount my arguments, which is not characteristic of town!squirrel

Talk to me more about this - what’s different from town!squirrel?

I’m planning on making a more thorough defense post; I’d just like to get a better understanding of all the arguments against me before responding

also, I haven’t forgotten about the other posts I was making - I just haven’t had the time to sit down and write them yet

[Ari_2412]

@Squirrel2412

Talk to me more about this - what’s different from town!squirrel?

I just have the flashback to how defensive you got when we were doing the OneNote mafia games and you were the mafia. Sometimes, though not always, you get defensive when you are a mafia.

[EricKline]

@Arete

how about you, where’s your head at?

For lack of a quality wall post like you

I feel decent about my kaylee, squirrel, cheese team so far, but I need to look more into how cheese has interacted with the other two

I need to look at JK, it’s been a while. They are practically null rn

Same with bep

Honestly a few iso’s are due. Orange probably deserves one. And you, I’d you’re gonna be on the chopping block.

[Squirrel2412 (David E)]

Just to clarify - @EricKline, is this the same reasoning you had?

[Ari_2412]

@Squirrel2412

Just to clarify - @EricKline, is this the same reasoning you had?

No, he never played in the OneNote

[Arete]

@Ari_2412

I explained it earlier in the thread. You’ve had issues with how little 000peo has contributed to the town.

no I mean

you’re arguing that I’m scum for pushing 000peo

so in that world, what was my motivation for pushing him?

(also, like, that ignores 80 percent of my actual reasons for pushing 000peo, but)

[orangeandblack5]

I’m back (and like 150 posts behind)

[JKBear331]

@Arete

since he clearly didn’t care which wagon went over at EoD

I did too. I didn’t want to loose Erickline D1 to a town kill. Also mind you (if my memory serves) I voted for erickline before he revealed

@Arete

if he flips town

which I will

@Arete

it tells me a lot less

yea. Better to have me alive

@Arete

I wasn’t really a fan

well I guess you don’t spin me round right …

watching a movie with fam. I will be back before EOD