M16 Game Thread

[orangeandblack5]

@Arete

massclaim D1

genius let’s do it

I’m a droideka

pew pew

rollout

[orangeandblack5]

@EricKline

Like does anyone feel that I made somone say something that was against towns best interest?

that’s such a bold question

[Ari_2412]

Hello everybody! I have until approximately the end of the hour. After that, I don’t think I’ll be able to be online til past EoD. Anything need to discuss anything with me?

[EricKline]

Don’t answer specifically, obviously

[orangeandblack5]

@k.aylee2412

Okay yes, my opener was a bit defensive. But you know what? I’m a defensive player - always have been, always will be. What can I say, I have confidence issues.

also not sure what I think about you just agreeing when on re-read this… wasn’t the case at all and I was mixing posts up

[orangeandblack5]

yeah kaylee has had no trouble managing to not talk about anybody outside of EK and I

[orangeandblack5]

@Ari_2412

Hello everybody! I have until approximately the end of the hour. After that, I don’t think I’ll be able to be online til past EoD. Anything need to discuss anything with me?

your vote in currently on EK

I am hoping to have a conversation about why that is

I’d also appreciate your insight on 000peo, GKB, Squirrel, k.aylee, and EricH, if you can manage all of them

Bonus points if you throw in Flash

[Ari_2412]

I explained it earlier in the thread, but I’ll restate it for you. Go read the conversation between you and the Klinester on I think posts 381-398 and tell me what you think.

[Arete]

several people have claimed no role

obviously some of them might be lying but if the Mafia have any familiarity with the players in this game they can figure out a bunch of vanillas

[orangeandblack5]

@EricKline

Hey orange

@orangeandblack5

Hey what

@EricKline

So you don’t have a PR right?

@orangeandblack5

I have said as much in the thread

@EricKline

Epic

What did you ask for

@orangeandblack5

I’m not telling you and you can’t make me

@EricKline

Why

You could lie no matter your alignment

@orangeandblack5

Okay but what’s the benefit to you to know

If the role exists it exists

@EricKline

I’m not an idiot nor am I asking for a role call

I’m asking for orange to lie to me

@orangeandblack5

eh

don’t see the point of doing so

@EricKline

Idk man some spice??? Some paprika?? Why do we do anything

I’m spit balling best I can here

@orangeandblack5

I feel there are more productive pathways here

If you trust me already then I don’t see what this nets

If you don’t there are better things to do to try and sort me than ask about my role (which is pretty much independent of alignment)

I mean

I still think it’s weird

But like

I was kinda the ringleader last draft game and our team fished a bunch of info by sacrificing GKB to try and collect a bunch of it, as I’m sure you know

So we have established that fishing for info can be a good scum tactic, and that I am clearly aware of this

So if you’re reading this as scummy you have to believe that EK chose to try and fish for info specifically from me despite all of the above

Which I would find to be a questionable move

Now I’ve miscalled people for having incredibly massive balls before but like this really feels like trying to die if he’s scum and idk I see any reason to do that?

[bepwei]

@clonedcheese

he’s angry that I said I would choose [1][1] (while not aligned) and voted + yelled at me

So, did you actaully pick [1][1][quote=“Arete, post:619, topic:4652”]
I’d like everyone to state their top townread other than themselves, and their top scumread, and why
[/quote]

Ari for reasons stated by you and orange

Orange for not being super control-y. I think there is a genuine solvey attitude here so far

Kaylee just guts genuine town to me

SR: 000peo pretty much from the defensive opening. I dont really have a stron SR, but ill vote if necesary. (im also not done reading yet)

[orangeandblack5]

@bepwei

Kaylee just guts genuine town to me

alright we should have a chat about this asap

[Arete]

I mean, a big part of what I’m trying to distinguish here is ‘was this a good idea’ vs. ‘did it come from a scum motivation’

that’s why I’m trying to get him to walk me step-by-step through his thought process

[bepwei]

@Ari_2412

I think that Squirrel has the same alignment as Arete. Both of you have been trying to sway me so either the two of you are working together as mafias or the two of you are both townies.

could you elaborate on this?

sorry if someone already asked; I am behind

[k.aylee2412]

@orangeandblack5

I remember reading this and feeling like you basically took no stance on, well, anything,

Okay yeah, fair, I was kinda trying to not take a stance on anything tbh. I just wanted to let people know that I was following the game and hope to be more helpful in the morning (which I like to think I have been?)
And what I was trying to say about you in that post was that fact: you are playing differently than usual (at least at that point), opinion: I don’t think that different play style is a reason to think you are scum. I wasn’t trying to townlean you, I was just saying I think people should look past that. Clearly my point didn’t go over very well though.

@orangeandblack5

And I just really felt like you were dodging having to take a hard stance until after squirrel started talking about what parts he was ruminating on and then you were like “oh yeah that set off flags!” without really going into why that is

Yes. All of that is true. I didn’t want to take a stance, squirrel asked me about a specific section, I reread that section and thought it seemed weird but didn’t know what to make of it. I was asked I question and I answered it.

@orangeandblack5

seems overly self-aware

Not gonna argue that, it’s true

@orangeandblack5

Like I feel like this is still taking pains to avoid causing conflict but it’s just weird

Also kinda true, I naturally avoid conflict at all costs. That’s part of the reason I play these games, so I can learn what to do in conflict. I also stand by what I said that voting me would be the better move. Squirrel is a more valuable player than me, I’ve always thought I was pretty mediocre at these games and there was more evidence against me at the time than him.

@orangeandblack5

feel >rand scum-ai fme

…I don’t really know what this means, specifically the >rand part but like I would appreciate an explanation. Sorry I don’t know all of the jargon for mafia

@orangeandblack5

First off, you’ve been the queen of taking no stances, so lol

Yeah what can I say I’m a hypocrite.
I tend to look at things from all angles and be like “these are the possible outcomes I see” but not actually decide which one to defend.

@orangeandblack5

One would be led to believe from your posts that you’ve given this more thought than that.

I had thought about it. I just hadn’t sat down and looked at everything with the mindset of analyzing, so I had an opinion but I wouldn’t have been able to tell you why at that point. hence why I hadn’t voted yet.

[bepwei]

@Ari_2412

There’s a thing called trying to figure it out so you sound like a townie

Do you think they are Traitor?

[Arete]

@k.aylee2412

I was kinda trying to not take a stance on anything tbh.

why were you doing that

[Ari_2412]

I don’t really remember what 000peo, EricH, and TheFlash have said, but the three of them haven’t said a whole lot.

GKB:
At first, people were voting for him as a joke. I don’t really understand the reasoning behind @cattypaws_f’s vote for GKB. Neutral til I get a better understanding.

Squirrel:
I would townlean Squirrel, but Arete and Squirrel are kind of sticking up for one another in a way that just doesn’t feel natural to me. When I approached Squirrel about this on this thread, he was a bit defensive. This makes me feel suspicious of Squirrel so I’m going to scumlean him. I think that if Squirrel is a mafia, so is Arete, but I think if he’s not that would make me trust Arete. I don’t have numbers for this but I believe it was like somewhere between posts 400-600.

[EricKline]

Ari let me know before you leave please

[Ari_2412]

Done