[Game Thread] SFM1 - Puella Magi Forum★Mafia: Rebellion

[Wisp (Kyle)]

now u see why u shouldnt have claimed… there was literally no reason for bepwei to have said what he said, if he didnt know it existed

[Valerie]

Well, it is limited by the number of rounds to Endgame, but it could give scum an entire extra kill!

I’m very dubious that it would be unlimited since that makes this game potentially end very early!

21 players -> Assuming role madness and exactly a minimum of 5 Mafia for 16/5, with no 3PRs:

Town WCS:

N1 - Claim-Vig, Mislynch -> 14/5
D1 - Town Vig hits Town, Factional Nightkill, Vanillaizer -> 12(1V)/5
N2 - Claim-Vig, Mislynch -> 10/5
D2 - Town Vig hits Town, Factional Nightkill, Vanillaizer -> 8(2V)/5
N3 - Claim-Vig, Mislynch -> 6/5
D3 - Town Vig hits Town, Factional Nightkill, Vanillaizer -> 4(3V)/5 GG

v.s.

Mafia WCS:

N1 - Mafia Lynch -> 16/4
D1 - Town Vig hits Mafia, Factional Nightkill blocked/protected, Vanillaizer -> 16(1V)/3
N2 - Mafia Lynch -> 16(1V)/2
D2 - Town Vig hits Mafia, Factional Nightkill blocked/protected, Vanillaizer -> 16(2V)/1
N3 - Mafia Lynch -> 16(2V)/0 GG

That seems really problematic for this size of game!

[TotallyNotKyubey (Sunbell/ActionDan)]

I wish he had said “for role related reasons, there’s an anti-claim mechanic!” instead it came across as baseless speculation

[Valerie]

Ici’s response to pressure has been super wolfy

more to come in like two minutes, I’m starting up my laptop

What response?! Can you point to posts?!

[ash4fun]

I’ve gone back and read a whole bunch of stuff about ici and bananas, and maybe I’m confbiasing myself, but I’m definitely inclined to think that ici is being scummy. I don’t know if I can put a finger on any particular post, but his iso feels more like the scumgame than the towngame.

Plus I also just don’t like the bananas wagon.

So I’m gonna VOTE: Icibalus

[Valerie]

And yes, I’m claiming to have 3+ shots!

[orangeandblack5]

Votecount as of post #1038

deadbananas (5): TotallyNotKyubey, Icibalus, Valerie, Geyde, Arete
Icibalus (3): Marshal, Wisp, ash4fun
Ari_2412 (2): deadbananas, IronicDeadBird
bepwei (1): Quin
Marshal (1): REM
IronicDeadBird (1): bepwei

Not Voting (3): EricKline, Chemist1422, Ari_2412

[IronicDeadBird (Charles)]

@Wisp changed my mind this place does actual long islands.
So the person with the gun says don’t meta but everyone’s doing it. You guys are crazy. Anyway, I’m going to go research game balancing and try to compile something useful from my phone.

[Valerie]

@Wisp changed my mind this place does actual long islands.
So the person with the gun says don’t meta but everyone’s doing it. You guys are crazy. Anyway, I’m going to go research game balancing and try to compile something useful from my phone.

Lol, you can meta if you want, I just choose not to use it since it’s not very reliable if you aren’t VERY familiar with the person, and even if you are, a personality read trumps a meta read every day!

[Valerie]

@Wisp changed my mind this place does actual long islands.
So the person with the gun says don’t meta but everyone’s doing it. You guys are crazy. Anyway, I’m going to go research game balancing and try to compile something useful from my phone.

Also, I thought that most of the players were way too young to drink Long Islands!

[Wisp (Kyle)]

i think who they are is irrelevant
and meta is a tool, that should be used, its not perfect which is why is should have a stronger case behind it, I am not even using it to reach icibalus, I havent even read those games

I think Ari’s two games have a night and day difference which is why I am somewhat ok with no lynching him today

[Wisp (Kyle)]

meta depends on the player as well, players like Ari feel more polarized, and players like Icibalus dont
I dont think it should be used to justify Icibalus’ alignment

[Valerie]

You never explained why you were voting Marshal!

[Valerie]

meta depends on the player as well, players like Ari feel more polarized, and players like Icibalus dont
I dont think it should be used to justify Icibalus’ alignment

If the only two arguments for an Icibalus lynch are LBE and meta, I’m out!

[Arete]

His reads feel the way fabricated-reads-by-Ici feel rather than the way actual-reads-by-Ici feel

arete you complain about confirmation bias every post-game, why must you do this to me

His reads feel fake

I’m not sure what it is about them that feels fake but it’s something

arete this feels a bit like “ici is a wolf because i’ve seen into his soul and he has that three wolf shirt from amazon that has all those funny reviews which is being worn by his dream self mindghost”

So this is how Ici responds to my push on him. I’m going to somewhat flippantly describe the tone of these posts as “aww, isn’t that cute, Arete has a scumread on me,” which at least from Ici is wolfy for a couple reasons:

• It’s kind of TMIish. I’m mostly going to ignore this one, since lolMasons.
• More importantly, he’s dismissing my actual arguments in favor of trying to make me feel like I’m being silly. To be fair, I wasn’t explaining my reasons super well, but rather than pointing any of that out, he’s going for trying to make me feel like I’m being silly to get me to not push him.
• It’s in-wolfmeta for him. It’s comparable to things he’s done in response to pressure from me in previous wolfgames of his, and not to pressure on him in towngames (where his response tends to be “this push doesn’t make sense for reasons X and Y, also screw you” rather than … the thing he’s doing). Examples:
  Marson (scum):

I’m not proposing lynching Jake directly, if you’ll notice I’m musing the possibility while implying that lynching me is an awful idea

LSotV (SK):

and thus you immediately jumped to me as one of the experienced players left in the game, which is why you accused me with pretty flimsy evidence because you’ve subconciously backed yourself up

makes sense, probably is villagery

Danganronpa (scum) (looking here specifically at interactions with villagers, not the part where he and Kyo accidentally bussed each other):

oh no two people think i’m a wolf
whatever shall I do now? AtE excessively and spew my entire wolfteam?

LotR (town, was mislynched):

litten I literally fucking turned around and correctly nailed DatBird from standstill
how many pelts do I have to get before you guys can leave me alone and I can actually do the whole peacefully solving without being bothered thing

Litten, I know the meta of this site. Absolutely no major defense I give here could actually convince you to stop pushing me, because whatever I’m going to do neccecarily fits into your perception of what I’d do right now. You won’t read my defense. You’ll read the “blatant shadethrowing” in it when I inevitably try to shift things onto a wolf. You won’t read this post for what it is, you’ll read my lack of WiM as wolfy.

That’s why I’m just going to sit back until you all feel embarrassed and vote somebody else.

Clown Fiesta (town, I think he got mis-ITA’d or mislynched?)

Dude, I’ve been hardpushed by a flipped wolf and hero shot another one who was incorrectly green epeeked, is that really something wolves do?

anyways the difference was less pronounced than I remembered but I do think it’s there, and also that even not looking at meta it’s a wolfy reaction

[Wisp (Kyle)]

what is LBE? he clearly looks like he is trying to solve, so in the end I will probably always vote Dead here, since its only day 2

[Arete]

VOTE: Icibalus

[Wisp (Kyle)]

VOTE: Deadbananas

[Wisp (Kyle)]

Votecount as of post #1050

deadbananas (5): TotallyNotKyubey, Icibalus, Valerie, Geyde, Wisp
Icibalus (3): Marshal, ash4fun, Arete
Ari_2412 (2): deadbananas, IronicDeadBird
bepwei (1): Quin
Marshal (1): REM
IronicDeadBird (1): bepwei

Not Voting (3): EricKline, Chemist1422, Ari_2412

[IronicDeadBird (Charles)]

I have no experience with closed games but from a game design standpoint I dont understand how loaded this game can be. People claimed not to know their alignment in the start.
#agesliplongisland?