Flip Flappers Mafia [TOWN WIN]

Anyone think urist reaction to me was fake?

At this point in time I am thinking Clem and Urist are the scum buddies.

Urist has consistantly saved clem and now clem is doing everything they can to discredit my claim

Againā€¦this isnā€™t new, Iā€™ve doubted your claim since you made it. So this isnā€™t exactly sudden lol.

So the thing is, if scum have 3 people, it doesnā€™t make sense for them to have a full strongman in this setup. It would neutralize half the town power roles and the SK.
But at the same time, if there are 3 scum, it wouldnā€™t make sense for catspurr to be scum because a tracker, doctor and IC is not nearly enough town power to counter 3 scum & sk.
Thereā€™s also the issue of scum having a full strongman when the sk is oneshot bp.
Iā€™m having trouble imagining a scenario that doesnā€™t involve a 2-man scum team, one 1-shot strongman + one goon, with catspurr being scum.

If any other power roles are out there you should really be claiming now, because itā€™ll almost certainly affect where I place my vote today.

The simple answer is that the scum strongman is an odd day shot.
The used it day one & day 3.

At no time have I been in any real danger of being lynched.
Why would I out as Jailer on day two and have crumbed day one as a false claim?
That is far more convoluted than 2 scum odd day shot strongman.

Or just 2 man scum team with strongman kill.
After all town had a tracker as well as doc and jalier.
Scum has No godfather as balance.

But why I have decided you are scum urist is because you have been concerned about my claim before today.

Now?
Urist and Clem the scum team at lylo, all they have to do is convince town to lynch me.

Iā€™m actually saying we shouldnā€™t lynch you today fwiw. If youā€™re scum then it is pretty much guaranteed that we only have a 2-man scum team. Therefore we can wait another day to lynch you.
But if youā€™re town, then thereā€™s a chance that we are in lylo today.
By this logic itā€™d be unwise to lynch you today. Again, assuming Iā€™m not missing something. If someone else claims a PR Iā€™d have to reconsider.

idk why I like Catsā€™ tone rn.

Is Nanook v Cats a scum vs town certainty? Could someone fill me in on the claims? I may or may not have read, but having a grasp on the game for the last few days could prove useful.

I claimed Jailer and promised to protect any town PR who outed.:ohyes:
Elwood Outed as Town Innocent and was GM Confirmed.:grinning:
I protected/jailed Elwood last night, as I promised I would.
:ohyes:

He still died.:rage:

Either I lied about being Town Jailer and being able to Protect Elwood.
Or
Scum have a strongman kill or some other game mechanic came into play.

@ErikaFurudo When I said day one, I hope Ellie is Free?
Did you see that as me crumbing a protection role?

Srceenplay, for some reason I donā€™t understand hinted he had a gulty read on someone.
And then said he was just joking.

I donā€™t know if he got any useful information out of that ploy.
But also donā€™t see why scum would do something like that unless it was to get town cred.:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Iā€™d need to read your claim. Why claim at all? Cats is still poe, but I got ok vibes on them atm. Any other claims?

OKAY TIME FOR ME TO BREAKARINO THIS.

As far as I can tell, this is the only post you have made were you lay out your case as to why you mistrust Catsā€™ claim:

I agree the rationale is probably flawed (as you can see from me in #978). But you need to expand upon why you go from ā€œI think you used your claimed power the wrong wayā€ to ā€œyou are lying about your claimā€.

@Urist, the other thing is, Elli was not in much danger D2, correct? Would you agree as much? So why jeopardize your own game to protect someone who is not really in danger by making a fake claim? Wouldnā€™t it be easier to simply try and change Impulseā€™s mind, or probe to see whatā€™s behind Impulseā€™s vote? You donā€™t see that though between the vote and the crumb. In fact, the only relevant post in between is this:

So how did Catsā€™ know that Impulse had successfully tracked Elli, and that fake claiming was worth the potential risk? Maybe I am thinking about this too logically, but the downside risk vastly outweighs the upside there, I think. In other words, I agree with Cats in #1047.

ENLIGHTEN US.

I still donā€™t trust you, so whatever you say might be pointless to my vote. Just FYI.

Youā€™re asking how I went from doubting a townie would use their powers that way because it didnā€™t make sense to thinking that cats is lying.

I meanā€¦the answer is in the question. The cats claims to have used her powers and her reasoning for it doesnā€™t make sense from a town POV. Obviously that could be suboptimal play, but I tend to think itā€™s scum.

Suboptimal play =/= lying about the claim. Using it to protect someone who Catsā€™ thought was equally likely to be Scum than to be NKā€™ed seems perfectly legitimate from a Town perspective, though perhaps not optimal. So thatā€™s just not enough in my mind to then say that itā€™s completely untrue.

Look, from ISOā€™ing you, you have made it clear that you scum read Cats, so by extension you are saying that sheā€™s lying about her claim. I have given my feedback on why I read things differently, and I think I have gotten my point across (and you have gotten yours), so thatā€™s that.

Christ, I did not say that her play was suboptimal and thus scummy. I said it could be either, but I tend to think that itā€™s scummy. Thatā€™s an implicit acknowledgment that suboptimal =/= scum.

Are youā€¦even bothering to read what Iā€™m saying, or are you just trying to make me look bad?

You are the one voting for Cats, not me. And you are arguing that part of your vote is explained by Catsā€™ claim which you are doubtful of. And itā€™s you who is also saying that the claim is more likely than not scummy, and from my reading of your argument, itā€™s in part because you donā€™t understand the logic (which inherently means that you donā€™t trust it at least in part because the claimed use is not optimal. Otherwise, you would never bring the logic up. You would just say that you think itā€™s not true, and make a different argument). These are all your claims, and Iā€™m challenging them. Arguing that ā€œIā€™m trying to make you look badā€ is nonsense. I think you are Scum - I voted for you after all. So Iā€™m trying to counter your arguments. This should be pretty obvious.