Hello everyone, I like long walks on the beach
I’ll start by saying that I’m really not sure what we’re supposed to write in our day 1 posts, especially given that there isn’t an opportunity to actually start a conversation.
So, given that I guess I’ll start with some general strategy discussion to see where it leads…
My first thought about this game is that typical mafia reads won’t really be so effective because the “anybody but me” mentality benefits everyone, not just scum.
It also seems beneficial for spies to target the best players or at least the players with the most accurate reads during the voting because they cannot win if people guess them correctly, so they can’t just choose to not kill people who are right (of course, you can probably play some mind games there)… But good players tend to figure it out in the end, so we’re back to the initial liability in that setting… Whereas agents really don’t have any preference to who they should target, unless they actually have a very good idea of who the spy is.
Anyhow, I expect some weird shit to happen. I imagine things will clear up once the two spies start prodding around for each other. The only thing that we are confident on is that statistically speaking, the people who are contacted day 1 are likely to be town, or more likely to be town than spy at the very least since 1 spy is removed from the bank of possibilities on each check.
Though, it almost seems like a better option for the spies to not make contact unless they’ve done so randomly, so that’s also something to consider if it comes up.
Another element to this game is that it might be easier for agents if we just don’t kill each other until we’ve figured out who has the better reads, then we can eliminate at a later time either the spies or agents with weaker reads. One thing is clear though, when we do get to the endgame, agents have to split the vote 50/50 between the two most likely spy combinations… This can be tricky with spies being in the discussion, but we just need to put the more reliable reads voting for the most likely situation.
I hope I am not ruining the game for anyone with my attempts to break it… Hopefully we can still be friends, I am an agent… And I’m going to cast my vote today for @beeboy day 1 because I don’t like honey, it’s sticky and if it comes in a glass jar, makes an incomprehensible mess when it hits the floor. I also don’t like bees… So there!
P.S. I wouldn’t trust anything Urist says, if you town read him day 1, lynch… If you scum read him, then keep him.
VOTE: beeboy
Espion is by far the best Pokemon in the entire Pokemon universe. If you disagree, you’re WRONG, and here’s why. Buckle up kiddos cuz I’m about to edify the fuck outta your puny brains.
First of all, Espion is a PSYCHIC type. This means that it’s strong against the manliest of all types, FIGHTING. This is a huge advantage!!! Also, psychic is strong against itself. So even if your enemy tries to use the best type against you, it doesn’t matter cuz yea. ALSO psychic moves inflict confusion, which is bar nun the stronkest affect in the game. You might be thinking “wHaT iF tHeY uSe DaRk TyPe?” Well then they’re a pussy ass bitch and you’ve already won. DONE.
Second of all, Espion is a cat. Cats are probably the best animal in the Pokemon universe. In real life, cats are immune to falling damage, and the same is true of cat type Pokemon. Go ahead, I dare you to push a Espion off a cliff. DIDN’T WORK DID IT??? didn’t think so. Also, cats are good because they can poop in a litter box, this is especially important when your Pokemon are living in the Pokeball, they have a VERY limited amount of space and so it’s very important that they do not poo all over the place, it makes it realy unpleasant for the Pokemon and they can get poisoned. Oh and plus with cat types you can eat em if you get hungry. just make sure you don’t die or they’ll eat you instad.
Thiord of all, Espion s are over 80% male. if the advantages there aren’t immeditatly obvious then there is no hope for you amd you should give up your dreams to become a pokemon master… men are just generally better then women, even in Pokemon. here is a stat comparison: a male espion gets a bonus to strength, intelligents and constitution, and a woman espion gets bonus to dexterity and charisma. as a psychic type Espion needs the int bonus, and every pokemon needs more strength and con (hp) obviouslly… gonesty i don’t know why i’m explaining this, if u really needed this explaination your a fuckin dolt haha…
forth of all, espion is a evolved eevee… think about that for a sec… eevee… EV… eevee… EV!! it’s no coincidence that they called this pokemon the same thing as the thing that gives your pokemon more things as they level up. evee has the best stat growth in the ENTIRE GAME, and if you evolve it to espion for the extra int bonus, you’re fuckin golden mate. for proof that this isn’t a coincedence i looked up the japanese name for eeve, it’s 積極的な同性愛者 which can mean happy animal friend OR it ALSO happens to be what they call the thing that gets you more things as you level up in japan!!! it’s proof qed espion is the best Pokemon and anyone who says otherwise is liekly just trying to hord all the espions to themselves.
So I’m probably not going to do very well At this game. Not for sure if I can do just one singular post per game. Yolo.
Probably just going to start by voting notmafia. It feels like a safe vote and why not. They Have mafia in their name. Hopefully someone posts some game breaking strategy to win this game. Right now I dont see the point of post with out having some type of back and forth with others.
VOTE: NotMafia
Yours truely,
Srceenplay
Dear Cohorts and Interlopers,
To start with, I don’t know if there’s any sort of meta around here for what to do in this game so I’ll just be off doing my own thing.
I assume that an early elimination is pretty bad for us because it’s essentially a shot in the dark so some coordination seems like a good idea. To that end, I will be voting for the same person tomorrow as I am today (assuming we don’t stumble upon an elimination today).
A nod’s as good a wink to a blind bat.
Finally, keys open locks.
love,
Agent Colin (I like that, there’s a ring to it)
VOTE: Key
Phase 1 Votes:
Key (2): northsidegal, Colin
Beeboy (1): StarV
NotMafia (1): Srceenplay
Didn’t Vote (4): Key, beeboy, NotMafia, Urist
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it’s interesting to me that both beeboy and keychain had the same thought regarding two spies contacting the same person making them town.
i was just about to say that it makes them not S/S, but then i remembered that scum don’t have a PT 
anyways, i do townread beeboy for it, keychain too but a little less, if only because she’s pretty tricky as scum. @keychain, why did you want my thoughts on the strategy specifically? beeboy would be the one more likely to know more about the setup, i’d imagine. (glad to be playing a game with you, though!)
@Star
meh, i’m not so sure on the “anyone but me” thing. after all, if i understand the setup correctly, agents still have to guess the spies correctly to win.
can you explain the “statistically speaking, the people who are contacted day 1 are likely to be town”? unless you’re literally talking about the number of agents as compared to the number of spies, i’m not sure exactly what you mean.
urist i townlean.
srceenplay has kind of an awkward tone i think. not sure how much of that is because of the one post per day thing and how much of it is just normal.
VOTE: Colin
this post i find kind of hard to parse, but i’m pretty sure it’s scummy. like, you don’t seem to care at all about finding scum, but moreso coordinating to vote someone out… randomly.
you even say that an early elimination is a shot in the dark, but then try to coordinate a lynch on essentially a completely random target. why? like, what’s the point of that?
final thought: this format'll let me evaluate the reliability of the "thinking the same as me, must be town" tell
Urist made my eyes bleed with his RAMPANT MISSPELLING of Espeon.
northsidegal kind of disappointed me with avoiding saying anything when I was hoping for some good strategy discussion and instead dropping a random vote even when she acknowledged it might be a bad idea. Is there any thought process going on there? StarV and Colin did the same thing with saying eliminating too early might be a bad idea but voting in the dark anyway, but Colin’s coordination point is good.
It would be good to get some rules clarification on endgame though since afaik I don’t think we get to discuss our guesses in endgame like StarV mentioned.
StarV is also runaway winner for most interesting first post but I don’t follow the train of thought in the section starting
You mean target like the spy’s daily target, or target as in try to eliminate? Given the way it ends I’m guessing the second, but spies trying to eliminate the players most likely to eliminate/guess them seems very obvious.
I’m going to hold off on voting until we get our first spy target announcement, so that’ll be next post. If I was voting, it would probably be northsidegal.
A character counter would be really useful here.
NSG’s “couldn’t random voting be bad” and doing it anyway seems fake. It’s not that I think that the action of voting anyway being scummy or not something town would do.
It’s just the entire way the post is phrased feels very fake to me.
VOTE: NSG
Key: “Is that Colin from mini mafia”, poor Mini Mafia 
Also I am not really drawing solid conlcusions from this post. It just reads as an analyse post.
NotMafia: Dunno
Starv: Talking about optimal scum play / strategy completely neutrally is kinda odd. Unless Starv doesn’t believe “Though, it almost seems like a better option for the spies to not make contact unless they’ve done so randomly, so that’s also something to consider if it comes up.”
It feels odd to bring up as town.
Urist: “P.S. I wouldn’t trust anything Urist says, if you town read him day 1, lynch… If you scum read him, then keep him.” - Starv
Screenplay: Dunno
Colin: Might be town for only considering town strategy? Could be a deliberate choice but
Contact Srceenplay
Come at me dumfuck
So, I actually think that it’s very interesting how the first day went, perhaps very telling as well (I could be wrong).
I’ll start by giving out my two day 1 spy reads (which I will be voting for as well):
Key
Here are the key reasons:
Generally non-committal post, it’s not nothing @urist, @notmafia, but it also has no substance, it falls somewhere in a hopeful void in between content and non-content. Examples?
Bullet 1: Stating obvious rules as strategy
Bullet 2: Pushing the importance of lynch, but doesn’t commit on how, what, when, who… Not even a vote, just casually, we should lynch someone.
Bullet 3: A call for more information (and reminder of the first point he makes above bullet 1), but he doesn’t actually generate any information nor does he even generate a vote that we can talk about.
Beeboy
The first point here is that he brings up the strategies he discussed with someone, and then confirms that he doesn’t actually know what to do. Proceeds to state obvious rule… I’m not too fond of the downplaying of his own abilities and this is something that isn’t directly scummy, but the overall feel from the post is negative for me.
What I see:
I have information, but I don’t understand it, oh wait, here’s some obvious intel that is written in the rules and that I think is important, but I don’t really understand, so I want other people to tell me their strategies because then I might understand what I didn’t understand when speaking to Elli… I like this format because it gives us something to talk about, oh wait… I’m not going to talk about it.
The approach is very similar for both of these players, so it could be a style thing, but at the moment, I’m reading Spy. I have two other reads which I’m keeping silent for now due to the cryptic nature of the posts, I need more development in order to not sway their posting too much one way or another (by doing it this way and revealing day 3, I get at least 2 content posts out of them before reveal rather than 1).
Other noteworthy, but not incriminating:
Colin and northsidegal seem to have a similar approach to each other for round 1. They coincidentally landed on the same player, so I’m not directly talking about that, I will elaborate more another (space constraints)
Screenplay seems like a typical VT who is not super comfortable in mafia games… I don’t know his history
NotMafia and Urist are pretty much a wash, other than Urist is obviously very analytical, we should look for that going forward. Also, same approach.
I feel like I’m a bit off in left field as far as day 1 strategies go, I assume it might continue that way throughout…
Early days are usually the key to success, puns as well.
VOTE: Key
wow those are some boring first posts you guys. it’s like you didn’t even attempt to entertain me.
I’m not going to bother voting this game until we’re actually ready to execute somebody. Seems dumb to vote randomly (especially if you’re like northsidegal or Colin and acknowledge the possibility of a random lynch, and then go ahead and random vote anyway). And while it’s not the end of the world to lynch an Agent early, it does help the spies quite a lot simply because it narrows down the pool of people that they have to inspect. And since the scum do not know each other, vote history does jack shit for us. There is really no point to voting until you’re actually ready to lynch someone.
We should aim to lynch the first person by day 6, or 7 at the latest. It’s not a lot of time, but our best chance of winning is to try to eliminate a spy, and seeing as I really don’t think it’ll take the scum 13 days to contact each other (unless they’re totally incompetent, in which case we should be able to lynch them anyway), we should lynch our first dude well before the 13 day deadline.
It seems difficult to coordinate a lynch in this format, but it really isn’t. Just vote your top scumread once you’re ready to lynch somebody. If nobody is voting with you, move to a different wagon that has at least 2 votes on it. We should be able to get a lynch like that within a phase or two.
ACTUAL READS AND SHIT:
- People stating obvious facts about the setup are a bit scummy for it, as it’s a good way to look helpful or whatever on day 1. This includes Key, and I guess nobody else. Good jobs folks.
- beeboy not having game strategies in mind despite having a hand in designing it is weird. On one hand I don’t really see why scum wouldn’t share even the most basic tactic but I also feel like I’m missing something. I’m gonna err on the side of slightly townie.
- StarV is totally incoherent, especially when he starts rambling about fucking BEES, but that’s normal for him so whatever.
URIST’S KRYSTAL BALL:
- Somebody is going to call northsidegal or Colin scummy for hypocrisy regarding the random votes. Their hypocrisy isn’t scummy tho and the accuser is prob a spy.
- Somebody is going to call ME scummy for my first post, they are probably going to whine about it being a distraction or whatever. Fuck em, they’re scum.
- Somebody is gonna call NotMafia town for looking relaxed. This will be someone who hasn’t played with NotMafia before and obviously doesn’t realize that the guy rarely puts 10 words together regardless of his alignment.
- StarV is going to continue complaining about bees.
- Colin is gonna get targeted by a spy for his weird codeword shit despite probably being town for it (spies don’t wanna look like they’re sending sekrit msgs).
Star rambled And is probably scum.
VOTE: star
Colin is obv town
North is prob town
Beeboy miGht be town
Not mafia is, NotMafia
KEy is probably other mafia.
I should have typed this right after I read. I had more thoughts theN.
Anyway star and key should be Taken out.
Dear future lovers,
First off I’m going to gun to my head call everyone an Agent or Spy.
northsidegal - Spy
Key - Agent
beeboy - Spy
NotMafia - Agent
StarV - Spy
Uruist - Agent
Screenplay - Agent
Colin - Agent
That was a fun game!
Yes Key, it is me. Colin. I will sign autographs in post game.
It didn’t occur to me we can no vote. I thought we had to, my bad.
There’s not much to go on from the first stuff. There’s a couple of things I’ve thought about that would be useful to know, but more useful to the spies so I want to say nothing about those until someone else does.
Here are some questions for you all.
northside, why did you try to contact me? I’m clearly an Agent.
Key, why does northside’s opinion about strategy matter so much to you? Is there history here or something?
beeboy, was there anything you thought about strategies that you decided not to post day one?
NotMafia, what is your favourite cheese?
StarV, could you expand upon “when we do get to the endgame, agents have to split the vote 50/50 between the two most likely spy combinations”? My interpretation of the end game is that every living Agent has a chance to solo win and there’s no group win on the table any more.
Urist, why is Pikachu better than Espion?
Screenplay, who is the person that you think is most likely an Agent from the first two phases?
Now I’m going to play another game. This one is called, “Guess the contact attempts” and I’m sure you can get how it’s played from the title.
Screenplay & StarV is my guess.
Sincerely (well I lied about two things actually),
- Agent Colin.
Phase 2 Votes:
Colin (1): northsidegal
northsidegal (1): beeboy
Key (1): StarV
StarV (1): Srceenplay
Not Voting (4): Key, NotMafia, Urist, Colin
Someone tried to contact Colin
Someone tried to contact Srceenplay
Phase 3 ends 2019-02-25T05:00:00Z.
RESET
@keychain - i feel like i explained myself decently well on both points you took issue with. i felt it was best to hold off on discussing what i thought the meaning of attempted contacts would be until later, and i explained as such. i also explained that, while there was always the possibility of a quickhammer in this instant reveal format, it was unlikely, and especially so on the first day.
i’m a little hurt to see you say say that i’m not thinking just by voting day 1 when the odds of a majoirty picking the same person day 1 is something that i don’t think is realistic at all.
why do you believe that as spy i would choose to forego making a show of how much thought i’ve given, as opposed to the reality that i truly believe the best play to be holding off on my thoughts for the time being? how does it benefit me as spy? obviously i’m biased, but i don’t see a strong connection between what you said regarding me and that making me a good vote.
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i’m not sure what to make of beeboy thinking the exact same thing. i’m interested to hear his responses to this current (phase 1?) round of posts.
in a mafia game i might be inclined to townread someone just saying “dunno” on reads.
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starv’s post i townread. don’t agree with most of his reads, though. i could see keychain as scum, don’t really scumread beeboy, don’t think srceenplay should be townread (from his first post at least, haven’t gotten to the second one).
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oh great, getting shaded again for saying that there is a chance that we all reveal to have 5 people coincidentally have voted the same person and yet doing it anyways because it is exceedingly unlikely.
i kind of like urist’s post, although it’s kind of a far cry from what i normally expect to see from town urist. (assuming you’re the same urist over at mafiascum). the strategy section i’m not a huge fan of but i like the idea of making predictions.
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srceenplay’s post doesn’t do a lot for me. initially i thought it could plausibly be read to attempt spy partner colin, but that pairing is impossible given the contacts.
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not going to bother voting. don’t have as many townreads as i’d like. submitting this first draft because im already low on time
First, the obvious: Colin and Srceenplay aren’t scum together. Scum think Colin and Srceen look like scum, if both of them are trying to contact each other.
I think most likely to contact Colin is potentially North and most likely to contact Srceen are StarV and NM (claiming a contact on Srceen the same day scum contact Srceen is hilarious).
Srceenplay posts look like he’s putting more energy into his secret messages than anything else. Was the last one AGENT?
North: Nice to play again with you too! I wanted your thoughts over bee’s because last discrete game I played with beeboy, he said pretty much nothing first post iirc so I was expecting something similar here. I’m interested in your thoughts because you’re good with strategy and because you’re less likely to put the effort into strategy theory as scum from what I know of you (which is also my answer to whoever else asked why I wanted your opinion, it’s tricky to reference on phone). Having to figure out who your partner is might counter your usual scum apathy though.
Colin, why didn’t you vote me after predeclaring your vote for me last post? StarV voting for me after me getting two votes first post and Colin saying he’d vote for me again, despite saying in their first post we should delay eliminating until we’ve figured out who has better reads and having a second scumread, doesn’t make much sense since it was probably the vote with highest chance of elimination but I don’t know whether that’s town or scum inconsistency.
I want to believe in miracles
VOTE: NotMafia
VOTE: Not Mafia
I think this is an obvious bluff.
Good luck guessing the other scum guys.
VOTE: beeboy
Wow, day 2 is a lot to unpack… northsidegal, I think your analysis of key and beeboy is off, the “thinks the same as me, must be town” tell is odd because I generally think the opposite, “thinks the same as me… must be mafia” tell @urist.
@northsidegal to answer: most agents, least information… Statistically least likely they will be to hit all game (as we factor one spy out of the equation it’s a blind 1/7 (I thought there were day 1 contacts, clearly the mods also thought of this being a problem).
@Key remains suspect #1 for me, his post takes a turn for the worse as he seems to just be distracting from any relevant information to the game. And to answer your question Key:
both you and your partner reach Endgame alive by contacting each other and have fewer than 50% of surviving agents guess both of your identities
I mean attempting to lynch during the day, and while it is telegraphed, the opposite problem exists that if you don’t do it as a spy, you will simply lose in the endgame.
@beeboy picks one person out of 3 that suggested something similar and still voted, seems like a poor attempt at drawing shade on a post that isn’t really scummy. Otherwise, very similar again, just a bunch of “dunno, dunno and dunno with a couple of slightly less dunno”.
@notmafia I don’t really know, I’m kind of leaning town, but also could be an early lynch if we get an agreement by tomorrow just to avoid confusion and his posts are useless.
@urist makes some good points, I like him as town minus his timeline, but I’d imagine that’s a worst-case scenario. I like the point about @Colin a lot.
@screenplay I read the same as day 1, really nothing to see here.
@Colin see above in this post, my reply to key has the key. But it seems you’re right, just because 50% guess correctly and spies lose, doesn’t mean agents win.
Now, the contacts…
Interesting notes:
Colin gets 1 scum read, 1 vote, and is contacted day 2
- Why?
- Coincidence of @colin’s first post and key being scum could lead to an attempt to close out the game real fast… Maybe?
- @beeboy throws a vote on loosely packed evidence while @colin is a maybe?
- I don’t see @urist making this shot day 2 even if he thought there’s a chance for @colin to be mafia
- I don’t see @northsidegal making this shot after outright accusing @colin given her current play style (2 posts of intel)
Screenplay gets what I understand as 1 scum read, and is contacted day 2
- This one is a bit more concerning to me because it is probably the play that I would have made
- @beeboy specifically quoted that section of my day 1 post though.
VOTE: Key