Pretty much the same thing I think about screen.
This change in vote is way suspect. If you donât believe the claims at all (thinking itâs âtoo much powerâ), then what does it matter who out of the two claimed masons you are voting for? If anything, you would have more reason (instead of less) to vote for the more powerful mason claim left.
Iâm willing to force the lynch to be between you and me, if this is really what itâs going to come down to, purely because of how suboptimal this is.
Because, especially after I was so sure and so wrong yesterday, Iâm entertaining the idea I might be mistaken, and if I am I donât want to fuck us over?
LikeâŠthatâs just good play
Woah woah woah why? Please donât make another yesterday thing, at this point I think you two may be town vs. town lol
You are not even making an argument as to why weâre Scum together (as in AD and I), but just suspect that itâs a neighborhood and suspect us more, and so have placed a vote. Anybody following this is not making any sense. AD already made the mechanical case as to why itâs very unlikely to be the two of us - I am still waiting on why itâs us based on reads and play.
And like you said, what is optimal from your point of view is not necessarily what we might think is the case. Sure, you donât think that we made the right choice with one of our shots. Thatâs fine. But you seem to be doubting that we have this shot to begin with, and are covering for an NK. This is inconsistent with you switching your vote to protect your downside that one of us âmight have a shot leftâ. Either weâre lying about this or we arenât. This is on top of the fact that weâre quite likely to have one or flip through the course of the game (particularly if people treat us like they should - as most likely Town). So why are you trying to force the flip? Doesnât make sense.
So, if the rest of the player board thinks that this is the optimal play, sure, I submit myself to a lynch right here. It would be really silly, and would destroy any advantage that we are clinging to at this point, but if thatâs what Town wants, then thatâs what we deserve.
Why is it likely? You think a mod places lots of town protection just to mix it up with another town role that has to consciously refrain from using their role to achieve best play?
2ndly we pushed DS because we know scum have had a protective role (hence our strongman) plus we thought precisely because of the massive amount of protection his role could easily be a scum one. In short it had both what scum needs this game; a) protection and b) a way to cut through town protection.
Itâs not too hard to understand, and your posts read to me as willful ignorance. Especially claiming Urist is a better target when Cats already said they failed targeting him.
You have mostly levied suspicion on us today because of our powerful roles but as far as I can tell said nothing about the flipped ridiculously strong scum role that youâd at least have to contend with considering the argument youâre making here. In addition though we have strong roles, I donât think anyone else has particularly weak ones, JK/Motivator/cops are all pretty strong though they arenât the full package.
You said you donât clear anyone but also donât take the time to explore options other than us aside from a cursory handwave. Basically the strength of your read/conviction doesnât match your argument anyway.
I also have town paranoia about the Masons:-
1/ I have asked repeatedly if they are town cofirmed to each other and they have not anwered.
Which leads me to believe they are not town confirmed.
2/ Both DS & Nanook yesterday asked for the Masons to Both Be JKâd exactly to stop this
discussion today, to clear the Masons and to be sure of the NK/Vig
3/ The person they Vigged was, along with Nanook, the one most outspoken about the Masons
being Not Cleared Town/
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We are and have said as such. Thatâs what âMasonâ implies.
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DS also did a lovely job of introducing paranoia like youâre harping on right now which was completely unnecessary and continues to be with his flip. Ofc despite him warning of it, he never actually said he thought we had a possibility of being scum ourselves, only that others might. So if youâre taking your cues from him, you might want to read closer.
I actually do not remember Nanookâs position yesterday. iirc he barely had any. And yeah, we vigged DS mostly because of his role but also we didnât like the language he used. Does that not make sense to you?
If you are worried though, because I begin to be very unsure if me and Andres can actually permeate this out of the blue non-sensical resistance, Iâm prepared, and I think heâs prepared to both be JKed tonight.
Unlike what Andres is saying neither of us deserves to be lynched because people feel uncomfortable with our existence for reasons that defy logic. And I certainly wonât roll over and allow either him or me to get lynched without a long pointed fight.
Do not think for a second that my statement implies surrender - I am forcing those that really want to do this to come out and say as such. We need to know who believes this is what needs to happen.
Where?
I have not said that it needs to happen, I have said that i have concerns and stated them.
One of my concerns has been you taking a back seat and not working through your reads with us in open play, as you usually do as town.
Where have you and/or AD said out right, we are GM town confirmed to each other?
Thatâs just what masons implies. When I say âWe are masonsâ that means we are confirmed town to each other.
I donât actually remember if I ever said that explicitly to you, but if I didnât, I donât care.
Mason also âimplesâ that you do not have bulletproof and do not have vig shots.
Unless the âMason Boardâ has at the top, you are confirmed town to each other, then you are Not Cleared town.
Mason, also implies that you do not have to go searching for your Mason partner.
What was the Button you threatened to Push ActionDan when you were searching for Andre?
Andre, how did you respnd to ActionDans open plea for you to contact him?
Did you PM him?
How did you know you were a Mason?
The point is that there is Nothing Impled about any of the Role.
DSâs role looks as scummy as fuck, but he was town.
If we play on Meta, Urist and Andre both look Off, not town for them.
Nanook looks Town, very town for them.
And srceen is his usual Meh, whatever.
Andres looked town to me even before we found each other by play and by his posts. I really doubt your meta is accurate at all since it definitely isnât this game and from what I know of his online play here, he posts consistently about the same as both town and scum
I used my thing on Erika D1 and it failed. I think Andres used his on Skitter on D1 before I basically outted myself. At the start of D2 Andres used his search on me immediately and MS connected us and created our chat.
Lastly Iâve actually had a role like this before with differences (It was vanilla mason searcher and only I could search) I can link you the game if you want but it shouldnât be outside the stretch of your imagination.
Also if youâre playing with meta itâs pretty trash at this stage of the game in a game where roles are complicated and play is highly based around them instead of more traditional scumhunting.
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weâre not lynching you today; if people are parnoid about you the proper way to resolve it is for me to jk both of you and see if a kill happens anyways
lynching you today is insanely suboptimal and like not happening