Deep Space 9 Mafia - Game Over!

[Andresvmb (Andrés)]

I am actually totally happy with responding to probes and questions - I think it helps push the game along. So feel free to ask away.

My position did change quickly, yes. But only because I was satisfied with where it lead to. If you think I reached the wrong conclusion, then let me know.

[Josh]

you have a lot of random wolf posts. for example, your smilodon “defense”.

ms has bad posts. also, gut, and I dont remember ever misreading him.

urist, bad progression and posting about me. bad early game stuff. creating simple content like that is not hard as a world

[Srceenplay]

I can relate

[catspurr]

Okay, Thanks.

How do you see my smilodon defense?
As White Knighting a scum buddy?
Or trying to look town cred for defending a town player?

[Nanook (Clem)]

So…why should I know what your explanation is before you make it?? That doesn’t make sense.

A meta read isn’t perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot stronger than a lurker vote 9 times out of 10.

[Srceenplay]

3 more days

[catspurr]

I am in two minds about this point on lurkers Nanook.
I have played with players who habitually lurk as scum.
They get away with it a lot of the time because they are not the players who post much anyway.

I also agree that just as often if not more often you lynch a lurker to find lazy or occupied town.
But you constant arguments about who not to lynch are not taking into account that.
It is Day One
It does take a Lot of votes on One player to Lynch them.

[catspurr]

@Andresvmb I ask you for the post of nanooks that pinged towny for you?
Cheers
Ta.

[catspurr]

:shrug:

[fferyllt (fairlylit)]

VC 1-32

catspurr: 2(Judge Mental, Nanook)
Nanook: 2 (Cabd, catspurr)
Judge Mental: 1 (Srceenplay)
Srceenplay: 1(MetalSonic)
Andresvmb: 1 (parsec)
_fferyllt: 1 (Josh)

**Not voting: 5 (smilodon, _fferyllt, Mantis, Urist, Andresvmb)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: August 13, 2018 4:00 AM

This topic will close automatically 30 minutes after the deadline.

Mod Notes:

[Nanook (Clem)]

Unless lurking is that players scumtell (sort of like you…your tell isn’t exactly lurking, but it’s close enough for the sake of argument)…99% of the time lurking is NAI and reflects the time a player has to spend on the game and nothing else.

[Josh]

his alignment doesnt matter for these purposes

[_fferyllt (_fferyllt (muffins > cupcakes))]

I would like to lynch in cats, urist, ms.

unsure there’s any scum in those names though

still feel like nanook, smilodon, ad-slot has a decent chance of containing more than one scum. just undecided which player in there has the best chance

[Josh]

none of those are townreads fwiw, ad hates scum and I thought about voting there but eh

[_fferyllt (_fferyllt (muffins > cupcakes))]

Knock knock

who’s there?

Do you think smilodon is scum?

i haven’t seen anything that seems town from either player in that slot yet. could very well be scum but not a read i have extreme confidence in

:fence-sitting:

I reiterated why I think cats is scum when asked, seems common courtesy for you to pull why you think AD is scum.

a. you weren’t reiterating anything afaik - the recent summary of the meta reasons is the first time you’d gone into any depth on it, i think. speaking of which, can you give an example of what you mean by ‘restraint’?

b. #812

[Andresvmb (Andrés)]

I have quickly gone back and looked, but I can’t seem to find the actual post. I have it in my notes that Nanook did defend the claim as something Scum would be unlikely to try and pull off, but I just cannot find it right now.

And yes, I make notes about these games as I read, just in case there’s anything that’s worth going back to later.

So…why should I know what your explanation is before you make it?? That doesn’t make sense.

A meta read isn’t perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot stronger than a lurker vote 9 times out of 10.

This is ridiculous, and I am not sure if it’s even worth answering. Like, please point to where I said that you should know my explanation before I give it.

The fact that you are still clinging to a meta read even after the amount of posts in this game should make you question your read. Like it’s consistently the same nonsense, and you also seem to be discounting practically everything that Catspurr says or does, and have since very early in the game, which is hard to justify frankly:

you’ll excuse me if I don’t take the opinion of scum too seriously

But yeah, I think removing all context and closing your eyes and shouting “LYNCH ALL LIARS DURRRR” is dumb as rocks and a terribly dull way to play the game.

Worst vote ever. It’s abundantly obvious that screen is fake claiming. Not at all scummy to use that as a basis for the vote you’ve been edging towards all day though, not at all.

“I always see this player as scummy even when they aren’t” is the laziest possible cop out of a read.

Nanook has been on me right from the start and I haven’t understood why so it is scummy.

I’ve been pretty clear why—it’s because a) you’re scum, b) your game to this point of reading reflects your scum meta more than your town meta, and finally, c) you’re scum.

Also—talking is scummy now, apparently? That’s a great approach. Don’t scumread somebody because you’re too lazy to read a longer post.

This is particularly revealing, I think:

Not true—cats consciously holds himself back as a scum player. There’s a tangible distance and reservation in his thinking that is reflected in his posting that isn’t present when he’s town. It’s a difficult at times read to make, but it is the best way to read cats given his…slightly off kilter style.

So you see me as scum, and your vote is off me because…?

So you voted josh to get a reaction, got that reaction, seemingly liked that reaction…and your vote is still on him why?

Insults aren’t really necessary here though. I’m scumreading you for a meta reason, it’s nothing personal. But I guess taking it there makes it easier for you to try and defend it, so whatever.

I’m calling at least one scum on the lazy/easy AD wagon.

Best guess says it’s cats. Probably unsurprisingly.

And then, you magically go against your meta read over some frustration about the long day?

And what the hell is this? After you have been trashing Cats almost the entire day.

I’m more interested in why you want to kill cats now?

Oh yeah, of course you go back to it later:

Cats is a solid wagon, I think.

Yeah, sort of similar to where I am. I can’t properly evaluate this at 3am though. Gut says it’s probably more townie to invite death than scummy, but could definitely be a ploy. Not sure if that’s within cats’ range or not as scum.

Back to VOTE: Catspurr

I think the frustration is genuine, but I’m uncomfortable tea leaf reading to the level that would make it AI. So I’m left with my meta read of them, which is still valid I believe.

Cats is scummy IMO, so not questioning that vote too hard (it was an easy lurker vote, then AD subbing out makes it less easy to hide there)

You are not even properly analyzing anything Cats posts, and seem completely convinced that you are right. I don’t know if you are or are not, but this just seems particularly arrogant.

Oh and, this isn’t the short version, it is the version:

Short version is that Cats consciously restrains himself as scum, and I’m picking up on that distance throughout this game. When you know what you’re looking for, it stands in stark contrast to their town style.

[Nanook (Clem)]

a. 548

It’s hard to tangibly define restraint…it just feels like there’s a distance in their thinking/posting, as if they’re consciously holding back. shrugs it’s a hard thing to define, I don’t blame others for not picking up on it, but yeah, that’s what I’m seeing. I misread Cats last time we played cause of some claim stuff (that ended up not being his fault), but in hindsight the difference between cats town and scum game was clear as day. Basically, an easy thing to see but a hard thing to explain.

[_fferyllt (_fferyllt (muffins > cupcakes))]

i dont know what distance in their thinking and posting means

please give an example of a post you think illustrates this in some way

[Nanook (Clem)]

You are not even properly analyzing anything Cats posts, and seem completely convinced that you are right. I don’t know if you are or are not, but this just seems particularly arrogant.

Oh and, this isn’t the short version, it is the version:

…what about your experience playing with me makes you think that I’m not arrogant?

[Nanook (Clem)]

It’s more of a long view, holistic thing.

This post for example, looks to me like a way to distance himself from the thread. It’s the first post that pinged me. Nothing has really changed my mind, I still have this same feeling of distance in their posting.