Deep Space 9 Mafia - Game Over!

“I always see this player as scummy even when they aren’t” is the laziest possible cop out of a read.

No I don’t

Same as this guy

I don’t know. Because maybe his inexperience is a reason for why he looks to be talking a little randomly

Hi @Andresvmb I’ll get right back to you on your post!

Hi @Andresvmb

I’m not so much defending lurking as town, but just saying that I could see people saying that they’re going to lurk to draw out reactions.

Urist is my bff! :slight_smile: I’m not sure if I trust Urist fully. I did like that he answered with AFKD as looking like he might be talking for the sake of talking, since that also occurred to me, so I will say I am leaning town there.

Not really necessarily leaning town on cats though. I’m pretty null there to be honest. I do think the MS thing was a decent thing to comment on (where MS said he town read _ffery and _ffery said it was hmm). But cats is a tricky player and I definitely wouldn’t hand out a town read just yet! Would need to read a lot more. In fact I still have to catch up on a large chunk.

As for MS, yes a questionable lean there.

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In the last game I played with MS on here, he liked to give out a lot of town reads (he was scum)

What’s null to you? How would you describe it?

@Andresvmb: eh, that’s fair. i often seem to get into arguments along these lines, where people scumread me for word choice and/or writing style when that’s wholly nai imo

(or having people scumread me for diction while entirely ignoring my point)

is ur main reason for townreading parsec the lack of a cc (#332)? i think that that’s kinda a silly reason to base a townread on someone imo; there might not actually be a miller in this game to cc him in the first place.

i’m asking because you seem to be indicating that you find it scummy how he criticized your writing style but you seem to be giving him a townread overall, and hte main reason for the townread as far as i can tell (not having been cc’d) is kinda shaky imo

unless ur like trying to say you townread him for how he claimed?

i haven’t played with him recently or anything, and i don’t remember his playstyle that well; that impression of him is mainly from this game - calling people fake and being aggressive and claiming things that aren’t really believable together all make me feel like he doesn’t really care how people view him; overall i think i’m tending town on him since scum tend to be more self-conscious and worried about how their statements are percieved.

and since i know he has fake-claimed in the past as town i don’t think that’s inherently ai for him

no i’ve been reading all of ur posts - i’m having a very hard putting together a coherent understanding of how you’re reading cats

first your initial conclusion was that screen was telling the truth and that cats is likely town

but once the claim has been largely shot down you go back to cats and say she’s looking scummy but had ignored her play earlier.

and you’ve seen him fake-claim before as town so idk why you’d even assume this was true in the first place

edit for when i got to 371: so again my problem is that you’ve seen him fake-claim as town apparently (it looks like u were int hat flip-flappers game?) so i’m not sure why you’d take it at face-value in the first place or use that as a basis for your cats read

and again if you know he fake-claims as town i don’t understand why that would prompt a negative lean on him. like what does it mean that you feel like his gambit is scummy despite knowing that he fake-claims as town?

@urist: what are you trying to say here?

i mean, i agree that there’s like no town utility to fake-claim that here, but what’s the scum utility? all he did was draw attention to himself on a bs fake-claim that he could be pushed for for lying

@Nanook:

i think he had a valid point in that you’ve been taking potshots with him and calling him scummy for trumped up reasons (the ‘excuse to move a vote’ thing ) without voting him

yes of course you can have more than one scumread at a time but you seem to be pushing him and nitpicking everything he says. like the things you’re focusing on don’t seem very scummy to me but you’re highlighting them and casting him a negative light; that’s what i was trying to get at with the other post

like i get that you think the claim is stupid and pointless, and you’re calling him out on that, but you aren’t actually pushing him as being scummy for doing so

really? i didn’t like it very much.

cats voted nanook at screen’s behest because nanook was questioning screen’s claim and defended the claim as being true since it’s something that scum would be unlikely to fake and that were was no scum motivation for doing so (#284)

so i don’t really understand why cats would vote there upon the revelation that it was probably fake

(@ffery: aside, is there a way to link a specific post without quoting it?)

@Nanook:

or this is another example of what i was trying to say before - you’re taking potshots at him for doing something stupid but you aren’t really explicitly calling him scummy for it or wanting to lynch him so i feel like you’re just trying to shade him

sorry sorry; i try to be concise as possible but i tend to find that i have a lot to say

can you explain this a bit more? how would you be viewing her if she saw you as scummy?

Stirring the pot.
Causing commotion.
Getting reactions.
I think it’s a great way for town to help progress the game early.

Yes! All you have to do is change the last part of the topic url to the post number you want to quote. The post number in the upper right corner of each post is also a link to that post.

testing, post 391

awesome, thanks :slight_smile:

@Srceenplay: so it was basically a reaction test? why’d you pick cats to do it on and whats ur read on her?

Cats and nanook where on with me at the time.
Iirc nanook was going after cats and I thought “fuck it, let’s see what happens “

I probably have a slight town lean on cats.
They are all over and sometimes they say things that make me think, what?
But
I think that indecisiveness and random thoughts comes more from a paranoid town thought process.

Here I was thinking your catchup post was over 8 hours late, but then I realized you never actually promised a post. Bamboozled again!

At this point I’m pretty much just waiting on any sort of meaningful input from @_fferyllt, @MetalSonic, @Josh, @AKFD.

To be honest my thinking on Cats is all over the place, so until I do an ISO and sit down to think about the posts, I am going to refrain from commenting too much on how I’m leaning. But I agree with everything you are saying here.

get owned

i will actually be slowly catching up over the course of today though. in between pretending i am doing the work im supposed to be doing work that’s super important and i take very seriously

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I don’t think reading Parsec as Town because of his claim is silly, but I don’t have enough background to really make a strong judgment call here. Claiming Miller implies some risks that if I were Scum, I (personally) would be loathe to take in a 13 player game on Day 1. Now, if this was coming from say Nanook, I would tread cautiously. From Parsec? I don’t know. However, if I’m thinking of the average player of Mafia, I think it’s more likely than not a Town move. The reasoning is mostly strategic - it potentially saves the Town from having a guilty result from a Cop cause a mislynch, and expose the Cop.

However, if Parsec begins to make a compelling case as Scum, then you should expect that my read will evolve. I am simply placing him in the No Lynch bucket for now.

I have come around to your view of Srceenplay in this game, but maybe check out the game we played and tell me if it helps explain my initial conclusion (quick ISO of him should do it).

You are having a hard time following my read of Cats because I was having trouble with my read of Cats. I need to just re-read, and focus on Cats independent of Srceenplay’s claim. The Claim just threw me off, and I was having all kinds of trouble making a coherent argument. Now that we know that the Claim is false (Srceenplay basically confirmed it), we can move on to analyzing Cats’ on the merit of his posts.

Also, I wasn’t ignoring Cats’ play. I focused too intently on the Claim, but then went back and looked at the play. If I had ignored it, I would have stuck to a read based on the Claim and not gone back at any point since. This is still early in the game.

This overstates my experience with Srceenplay. I don’t know that he fake-claims as Town. I have seen him do it once, and only partially, as Town. I tried to explain why I thought the gambit could conceivably have yielded information that would hurt the Town in #334, and how it’s different from what I saw. However, this lean is not a strong negative lean - now that I’ve taken a step back and cleared my mind a bit, my lean is more neutral, slightly positive. Like you said, since he does not appear to care much about what others think of him, and is trying to get reactions and get the game moving, I can’t see a Scum mindset.

VC 1-15

catspurr: 3 (Nanook, ActionDan, skitter30)
Urist: 2 (Metal Sonic, Josh)
Nanook: 1 (srceenplay)
AFKD: 1 (Urist)
Andresvmb: 1 (parsec)
MetalSonic: 1 (catspurr)

Not voting: 4 (AKFD, _fferyllt, Andresvmb, Mantis)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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