I want to vote cabd and Ms for both being needlessly difficult
I think theyāve claimed just enough.
Cabd fullclaimed tracker who saw MS visit _ffery.
MS claimed that he didnāt target _ffery, but received a message possibly indicating heād been redirected. I donāt see how him claiming more info would help.
Itās the uncertainty. It becomes a Town read once we collapse one of the two. Though Iām leaning more negatively on Cabd, which is why MS is Neutral.
We need to hear more from pyx. Heās been a bit waffly today it seems.
@pyx What do you think about MS? What do you think is the most likely scenario out of these, or do you think something else is more likely?
The thing is, if there is a redirector and did switch MS; the person they switched MS with would likely be scum
Where is the idea of mason coming up in the timeline of tracking?
Redirector simply forces a guy to target someone else. You might be thinking of bus driver. Thatās something I hadnāt considered, and it would make sense with the info we have.
Iāve already said what Iāve thought about both MS and cabd, back at #2084/#2100, before your presentation of āmost likely scenariosā. Not sue what I think of your narrowing down the possibilities, but yeah, I think something else is more likely IF we take the obfuscated claims at face value.
Neither cabd nor MS have been completely forthcoming, and Iām not yet sure what to make of that either, AND I donāt know if the purposefull obfuscation has the ring of falsehood or of safeguarding info from not wanting to reveal info helpful only to mafia. I mean, as Iāve previously said, mafia already are the informed minority likely knowing who is town or who is not mafia, and so who theyād like to target.
I donāt like claiming, but yeah, I realise it can be helpful. Soft-claiming always seems even worse to me, but Iām not yet sure thatās the extent of a finalised dialog. Both parties seem to be jockeying for position with what theyāre willing to first reveal. OK, so cabd claims Tracker, but certainly NOT what is normal for the role, and when we tried to get clarity on the MS visted a _fferyllt corpse claim we only got more obfuscation.
Without actually saying it, MS claims to at least have had a night action, but also wants to at once claim they DID NOT visit (or at least target, while using the word āvisitā). That is, I believe the part where Worf (_fferyllt) found MS, āin the middle of the ship corridor during the nightā¦ very confusedā¦ maybeā¦ sleepwalkingā, who then, āwent back to [MS]'s bunk to continue sleepingā.
So yes, it at first seems at least plausible that MS may have unknowingly killed _fferyllt while still being town, but then how does _fferyllt send MS a PM after heās dead? Or was it after he died? I think itās at least sure that their paths crossed.
And then thereās still the Orbs and the bauble. Now, the Neighbours or whatever seem to claim thatās an Orb thing, but I know from reading up on flavour a bit that the Orbs can give hallucinations, AND, I know there are a few various baubles in DS9 that have varoius meanings that may or may not be in play, though Judge Mental assures us itās of no consequence, and that too may be true, as far as any players know, soā¦
TL;DR, what I mean is really we just have to find the mafia, and so sort through posts to see what we believe. And Iām not yet sure, so if thatās seen as āwafflyā, so be it.
BTW, if I wasnāt clear, I have seen roles where mafia conduct their kill through an unaware townie. Iām not saying thatās what we have here, and the Framer thing Urist brought up is a possibility, but clearly itās more or different than that (as per normally how weād see the role).
MS certainly seems to be in favour of this, as Urist describes.
But one of the āissuesā of soft-claimg is the speculations that arise, which whoever can sort through for whatever reasons to pick and choose a spin that favours them most, regardless of alignment. I guess thatās been screenplayās contribution to mafia451, huh?
Certainly the simplest explanation would be that cabd tracked MS to _fferyllt who then killed _fferyllt, BUT cabd has specifically posted that is NOT what happened, and were it so, MS too, has been creative about what happened far beyond incredulity. I donāt think Iād be voting to lynch MS today, not unless theyāre known to be soā¦ inventive.
What did I contribute?
Youāre definitely reading too much into the ācorpseā thing. Cabd claimed normal tracker.
Trying to sort players through speculation regarding claims. Itās your hallmark, am I right?
Thatās an interesting thought.
Going with the theme I can see how thatās possible.
It sounds powerful for scum so I would assume itās gated somehow.
It would have to work out perfectly for scum to have pulled of a frame like that between two town.
I donāt think I have a thing. So no I donāt think itās right.
I guess my thing would be stirring the pot. I dont know.
That much is at least NOT true. He claimed a more specific type of tracker.
Where did he claim that?
Thereās no pot in DS9, because it was a family show.
Hereās the specificity, esp. when added to the ācorpseā claim.