cabd even convinced me myself that I could have visited muffina, only because of the sleepwalking thing. So, I think the combo points towards it being a scum power
But it could be an extra factional ability, along with the kill, so it is not tied to any particular scum players role
I am not convinced that Scum wanted to bus a Power Role of theirs all day - I think they found themselves in that situation because Cabd had played a bad D1, and he had succeeded (or rather, failed) in flipping everyone’s view of the slot from when Skitters was around. It’s funny, I even praised Skitters’ slot but said that the only thing that I would view as Scummy is the apparent lack of paranoia. I also recall Cats being slightly suspicious of the “walls of posts”. In any case, Cabd probably just had to post more and early D2 and maybe we wouldn’t have focused on him so hard (him never explaining his vote on Josh for example did not help his case in my mind). But he didn’t, and we did, and then he came with his claim nonsense that ultimately got him lynched.
The main issue I have with this line of thinking though is that it completely discounts the good work that Town did. If the Scum was intent on bussing, then surely nobody’s vote on Cabd matters and we can look at everyone on the wagon regardless of what argument they made or when they jumped on. I’m not trying to say that it clears me. But what I am trying to say is that part of my Town read of Judge for example is based on her good work there (and her insistence that it was a good vote). It also helps shape my view of Cats. Also, I had gotten into a bit of a bitter dispute with Judge, and that was driving my vote. I had to eat shit, recognize I was wrong about my view of Judge’s interactions with Nanook, and switch to Cabd, who Judge was Scum reading.
I also know this isn’t much comfort, but think about why Srceenplay would bother to use a protective on me instead of anybody else.
As a side note, I don’t want people to focus so much on how my play here compares to FlipFlappers, because the fact that it’s role heavy means that as Scum, I would approach this game quite differently.
That’s fair enough. Just know I’m scrutinising your iso now. Don’t give me flak about tunneling, I’ll explain later, but right at this moment I’m thinking it’s you or Urist, and Urist has the race read on Judge going for him.
I agree with this. Cabd does not try out his fake claim if he doesn’t know for sure that you either visited another player (or tried to), or sleepwalked. Otherwise, your counter is way too easy and you just argue incessantly for his lynch.
This is my updated view of the game, without having re-read D3 in detail:
Town Reads, Would Not Lynch:
{Cats, Judge Mental}
Would be against lynching, but not a strong Town read:
{Metal Sonic}
Neutral, not a strong view either way:
{Mantis, Urist}
Negative Lean, would vote for:
{Pyx}
I think Cats and Judge are Town in this game. I will probably stay away from voting you guys today. MS would be a stronger Town read if not for the fact that MS lied about your Power Role, affecting the overall analysis of the game and probably leaning people more negatively against Srceenplay. Nanook focusing so heavily on Cats will probably keep me away from Cats for now. I didn’t like Cats’ wide lynch pool, but it shows that Cats doesn’t trust anybody (which is kind of like how I feel).
I think the Scum is amongst Mantis, Urist and Pyx. However, I don’t have strong feelings any which way. Pyx is at the bottom because he needs to be sorted, but frankly some of his contributions make it so that I don’t feel the urgent need to sort him quickly (and only if no other consensus is reached). However, I don’t know if we’ll get Town consensus any other way, so that might just have to happen.
My reasons for mistrusting Urist I have expressed throughout, but I’m having second thoughts and after Srceenplay, I am doubting my instincts here. The thing about the Racecop thing is that I told Urist I would be happy to be investigated. And it was not me that proposed for it to be Josh or me at the Temple. If I recall correctly, I proposed Judge, and then I was reminded that that had happened already (I wanted more certainty that Judge was Town). Cats initially proposed Pyx, but then said that Josh or I would make sense. I said that either would be fine, and re-emphasized what my role was. I also don’t recall Urist making it obvious that he would go for Josh.
Mantis is a black hole of uncertainty for me. Urist is convinced Mantis is Town. I’m really not. I think it’s 50/50. I’m swinging wildly on my read here because something just does not feel right. From the pre-emptive move towards Urist at the end of D3, to the hammer on Cabd, to Mantis basically leaving me as an option every single day without committing to it… This is probably my next ISO.
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Srceen was also working a serious case on Mantis, and I’ve backed off of you for a while now (since the beginning of D2), going as far as to call you one of my strongest Town reads (I still maintain that). I don’t think this makes me Scum.
The point about Cabd perhaps backing off Urist because he thought that he might have been mason together with MS(?) is weird. The way I remember that interaction, there simply seemed to be some confusion about what Pyx had claimed, with Srceen calling him a Mason instead of a Miller. It was quickly cleared up if I recall. I am staring at Josh’s #851 and Urist’s #860, and Srceenplay’s follow up in #863. Why anybody is using that to clear Urist is beyond me.
This is Cabd taking something I said as a softclaim with MS on d2. Not sure what it was he saw… but in my mind it looks like Cabd cleared MS accidentally here.
It doesn’t really clear me because it could be a planned thing between me and Cabd, but if anyone wants to think it does clear me then I won’t stop them. :shrug:
This game.
I’m not saying I’m back to square 1 but on an iso of Andres it really doesn’t look like him. The voting is still suspect to me but the arguments with both cabd and Nanook look genuine and he goes into pretty good detail especially FOSing Nanook.
I think it was Andre that said he didn’t like how broad my scum pick list was.
And then Mantis votes Urist and everyone points out how dicey MS has looked all game and I am back to square one.
I think a lot of us are now town reading pyx, which makes it hard to get consenses.
I am starting to lean toward sorting Metal before pyx.
But then I come up on that word ‘sort’ , sort implies an each way bet, they may or may not be scum it’s a 50/50 call so like decide by killing them.
Not the best way to play a game, but with this majority voting and the NoLynch specter hovering over everyone, it puts pressure on deciding to Sort rather than a fair dickum let’s lynch the scum.
like = Let’s
I was just about to quote pyx… and say, MS ?
I’m going through my posts day 2 a bit… because I found it slightly odd that he clears judge for her position on cabd… but I think I also played a part. Will post later when I finish reading on that.
I can only do it while on a computer… some with ISo ing andre which I want to do.
I’m pretty much townreading pyx, and I dont really want to lynch him…not 100% but ya. He’s my early morning posting buddy.
I hope to get to a computer later tonight
He being andre (2nd paragraph)
Just to clarify. I’m still townreading judge. But found it odd that andre cleared her for cabd position day2 but skipped past my stance on cabd day2
I also said I was wary of your large list cats
My vote on urist is me just stating my uncertainty on him… I think he should be put into the mix. Just want to hear more from him. But also get he can’t post a ton
So far I think myself MS and cats have stated their reluctance to vote pyx
And yes, I stated Andre’s as a font touch town read. But I think I really have to dive into an iso on him first before I say that.
As of now… I’m wondering about MS Andres and Urist.
The thing with cabd is that he made things really convoluted towards MS. He tried to frame him… but then he stated his unwillingness to lynch him… via fruit vendor… or Mason thing ?
It was a bit strange.
And then MS’s unwillingness to vote cabd after cabd put him in the spot light.
It could be potentially seen as a failed distancing attempt
At this point MS has said he wants myself or cats. But hasn’t stated why.