11p White Flag (1, 6)

[Engravings]

Gotcha. I have nothing else to say for now. Apologies for the gender thing too.

[Engravings]

Actually, I do have one more thing to say.

Like looking at Key’s iso I see a weak vote on Engravings, a move to Star well before theh were actually in trouble, and a move onto cavin when Star was actually in trouble. That’s…not a good voting pattern. In a mountainous game I’d be more inclined to say “yeah but why didn’t Key just stick to the bus if she’s scum,” but in white flag it makes sense from a scum POV to try and get some momentum elsewhere.

I actually should add that FMPOV I can’t possibly see this voting record as bad considering she ended up on Cavin who was also very high on my kill list. I just think it’s possible she agreed with my reasoning behind voting him. I don’t think it’s a move scum would make to shift their vote there. You can say that white flag would make people averse to bussing, but with my death your reads are going to have to account for someone bussing anyway if you TR Erika.

Scum switching their vote there has diminishing returns in my eyes.

[Nanook (Clem)]

I draw a distinction between an early distance vote and bussing.

[Nanook (Clem)]

And yeah, sure, it’s not, like, 100% scum, obviously, but a move off of someone that is confirmed scum when their wagon is starting to pick up a little steam is something that isn’t going to look good, you know?

[Engravings]

If Key was scum, she didn’t bus. She would have applied early pressure to her partner which can be variably read into depending on how strongly people are likely to metaread Star as scum there, but she didn’t bus. You misinterpret what I’m saying.

I mean that assuming I die and Key is scum with someone else, I think your reads would still point to someone bussing even if Key is mafia seeing as you have that TR on Erika? The table isn’t that big.

[Engravings]

And yeah, sure, it’s not, like, 100% scum, obviously, but a move off of someone that is confirmed scum when their wagon is starting to pick up a little steam is something that isn’t going to look good, you know?

I think that it looks deceptively bad FYPOV. I never thought Star and Cavin could be partners based on some of Cavin’s posts so the flip seems pretty pure if she actually agreed with me on Cavin.

[Engravings]

I’m pretty much saying that you’re an NK magnet and the town is likely to follow your opinion d3. If you TR Erika and Key and I flip VT, the wolves are moderately deep. You have to be wrong on two reads for that to be the case, but I only have to be wrong on one. Despite my track record so far, I don’t think I am.

[Nanook (Clem)]

I mean…plopping down an easy no accountability vote when it doesn’t matter then switching off when it does is basically always going to look weird? Like sure, maybe she just thought cavin was scum, but you have to acknowledge that it doesn’t look good for someone to jump off of a scum wagon when it’s starting to get some traction onto a potential counter wagon.

[Engravings]

I mean…plopping down an easy no accountability vote when it doesn’t matter then switching off when it does is basically always going to look weird? Like sure, maybe she just thought cavin was scum, but you have to acknowledge that it doesn’t look good for someone to jump off of a scum wagon when it’s starting to get some traction onto a potential counter wagon.

In a vacuum. I see it as defensible there.

I could be completely wrong, but I feel like I need to double down there. My intuition is telling me otherwise. You can’t see the scenario I’m describing as reasonable at all?

[Nanook (Clem)]

I don’t TR key though, so.

I think by end of day I can get the fifth member of the towncore locked down and we’re hopefully good to go, as long as people are smart.

[Nanook (Clem)]

I see it as possible but less likely.

[Engravings]

Of course. I was hoping to convince you.

With that being done I’m out of takes. Good luck!

[Cavin]

M2 right on the edge of it, Andres pretty meh but a weird time to bus, and cavin downgraded to the lowest of the town core for voting off wagon.

Uhh, I was going to vote on wagon and then M2H snaked it in a lowkey shady way to be honest. Not to mention, I was the counterwagon to scum!Star

[Cavin]

Only thing holding me back there is that cavin didn’t actually end up on chess

I said I was going to hammer to give people a chance to say any last words and then M2H came out of nowhere and just hammered lol.

Thats not my fault

[Cavin]

for reference

I’m gonna hammer unless anyone has anything else to say

Do it

JUST…DO IT!

VOTE: starv

hammer: slammed

Well, I was giving people time to talk lol

[Cavin]

This was my list from the night phase

Scum to town

Key
M2H
GTacc
tn5421
ErikaFurudo
Andresvmb
Engravings
Nanook
chesskid3

and I think that Engravings has a huge potential to be a deep wolf with StarV now flipping, but I also think that if Key is a wolf, that I doubt that she jumped so eagerly on a wagon made by her scummate, so im gonna go with my gut and also the value of Chess’ read and kinda stick with that there.

This could easily be mewtwos scum game though, that hammer seemed super sus to me and i havent seen anything that makes me want to town read Mewtwo here.

[M2H (gamethrowing prodigy)]

tbh do you have any reason to scum read me, I’d object to the hammer being bad the day was basically over.

[Cavin]

This isnt your town meta of aggressive pushing to find scum. You also have been pushing yourself as like “obvious town” when you aren’t and most of your posts have been reactionary or like trying to pocket people by calling them friends.

I welcome everyone to iso M2H to see what it is that I am talking about.

[Cavin]

Please though, expound on what your reads are. Try and change my mind.

[Andresvmb (Andrés)]

I’m catching up.

This was my list:

Chesskid3
Nanook
Engravings
GTacc
Cavin
ErikaFurudo
Tn5421
M2H
Key

I suppose I could be going wrong with Engravings. So if there’s more confidence on Tn there, could readily switch. I think I’m more comfortable eliminating Key here.