11p Arsonists (1, 7)

Actually, if Scum didn’t think that the DS lynch was going to succeed, and wanted to get off Josh, that might have also spurred movement.

I don’t really care to figure out why anyone did what here anyway. I’m voting who I think is Scum.

And you know this how?

Tbh I’m pretty much at the point with dusk of either he’s scum or he’s town that should be ignored :woman_shrugging:

Pretty close to just farming out that read too cause idk but I feel like he might just be someone I don’t read great.

Why would a wolf vote if the wagons are TvT? Ranked in order of strength.

  1. If you think DS is less lynchable than Josh, voting DS when the wagons are that close makes sense. Its an opportunity to kill him with little backlash, pushing all the blame on Josh. Seize the moment.
    1.a; if you think DS is a bigger threat than Josh in this specific game, killing him over Josh also makes sense.
  2. Similar with 1; saves Josh for a later lynch in a game with a lot of townie people.
  3. If GTacc is wolf, saves the wagon from spinning back to GTacc via Josh self-pres vote. Keep in mind GTacc at this point is the dueling wagon, and the wagons would have been tied or GTacc would have got majority. Safer to make the lynch between Josh and DS than Josh and GTacc.
  4. KTS voted about 10 seconds before deadline. Right up until deadline Josh was still getting lynched. This means wolf!StarV or wolf!GTacc has ammo for a later DS push later. wolf!KTS gets town cred for saving me, town!KTS throws a wrench in scum’s plan to let me die while splitting the wagons. wolf!StarV or wolf!GTacc gets extra town cred for trying to save Josh who they can cite as obv!town later on.
  5. Creates chaos. Its always better for wolves to have more wagons on town than less.
  6. Not knowing what the wagons were at. It was super busy at EoD, wolves may not have known where wagons would fall and/or where the wagons currently were. For example, tn is currently claiming he didn’t know DS was the wagon in that last 2 minutes, etc. They might not have been aware of the scenario and thought the lynch could fall on one of them.
  7. WIFOM. Literally a valid answer. Happens. Especially in a game like this where there’s no real consensus scum read. This is the only answer StarV/Andres seem to think of? But its still valid, albeit less likely than the previous.

There are lots of reasons why wolves do things, and “WIFOM” is not the only answer. I wrote this in one sitting after seeing Andres agree with StarV, I’m sure there’s more I could think of. Don’t ask stupid questions. Seriously @Andresvmb I am really disappointed my friend.

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I don’t CARE if you’re voting me. I want you to sort me as town, and get your head out of your ass. I am not waiting til night 2 or night 3 when wolves kill Nanook for you to mislynch me later on, and I am not going to have as much time as I do now later in the game.

:roll_eyes:

Literally all scum had to do was put a naked vote down after josh’s.

That’s it.

No big balls, no complex play, just a naked vote and watch people talk themselves in circles.

There are also the strategic reasons that josh just laid out.

It’s honestly not that hard of a thing to do as scum regardless of the reason behind it.

I honestly thought you were better at theory than this lol

This is whats annoying me. I don’t care that StarV is bad or wolf, but I hold Andres and Dusk to a higher standard. Especially since I’m 95% sure andres is town, the most frustrating part.

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Fuck off. This isn’t “theory”. This is my impression of what would be going through your head if you’re Scum and you see TvT and one is Josh and the other is DS.

And yet, you’re the one who voted for DS when I was saying he was Town. But I get this bullshit “I’m disappointed in you”.

I mean it is theory tho, lol.

And yeah what I’m saying is that it’s not complicated and doesn’t take much nerve. That’s what you’re wrong about. Takes much more nerve imo to be on a wrong dan or josh kill.

With how Josh was playing, not really.

So fucking what? I’m not disappointed in you for having a wrong read on me, I take that as a compliment you think I can fake this stuff as scum.

I don’t know what you can pull off or not and I don’t assume anything. We all thought Elli was unlikely to powerwolf because it would hurt his Town game. That assumption is out the window.

You’ve been out the game for a while and kept yelling that people were gamethrowing.

See man this doesn’t bother me.

Eh, disagree. Think scum are always going to be fearful at minimum of the “how did we let a strong player get killed D1 as town” blowback.

You take things too literally. I think that’s the breakdown here.

@Nanook

To be fair, those games DS played on that alt were a lot better than the DS I remember. So I don’t think his town game is terrible like I used to. But yea.

Also, like, you’re arguing against me but also still voting gtacc, so at some level you agree that scumGtacc would do what you’re saying he wouldn’t lol