Transitioning away from using lynch - alternatives and implementation

[sunbell]

“execute” or “vote out” are the best in my opinion. I also thought of the word “hang” because to my knowledge it’s the same thing but with a less negative association? but I could be wrong about that, so that should be up to someone that knows better.

I was going to suggest abandoning any software solution and maybe just adding it to the rules, and then I realized it’s already in the rules.

4. Don’t use language that has a history of negative associations with oppressed groups.

So… shrug

[StarV (NotanAxehole)]

You are a fan of your toggle features…

[StarV (NotanAxehole)]

We should say you’ve been voted out of the tribe or your tribe has spoken.

[Duskfall98]

Let’s just vote people for president

[JakeTheWolfie]

That’s more survivoresque, and brings into question the compentacy of this tribe.

[GTacc (Espresso GTacc)]

Now then, I’ve prepared a very special punishment for [player], the [role]! Let’s give it everything we’ve got! IT’S… PUNISHMENT TIME!

[JakeTheWolfie]

Slow down, Jigsaw.

[Urist]

It’s the best way to avoid making decisions

[JakeTheWolfie]

Question Elli:

How far will you be willing to bend over backwards for new players to join in terms of chainging Mafia?

[DS (SFwordsmith.com / https://discord.gg/3NmUdv2)]

@Ellibereth

I can see the argument for having a popup saying it’s banned is better than a force replace. Main downside is that it might lead to everyone using their own alternative. @Nanook, @chesskid3, @Key, thoughts?

This is reasonable

[chesskid3]

Lets let the game mod for each game decide hurrhurr

[Ellibereth (Elli)]

I wouldn’t call it bending over backwards but if you have any suggestions for non-negative changes that you think would make mafia more attractive to new people my inbox is always open.

[JakeTheWolfie]

proceeds to shitpost and then act like I made a point

[DS (SFwordsmith.com / https://discord.gg/3NmUdv2)]

@Ellibereth

Okay let’s drop the software solution for now and see how this goes:

I would appreciate if we as a community picked some alternative and encouraged people to use it. I do however think it’d inappropriate if someone just kept using it on purpose in this case - there’s a clear difference between "oops did that because I was used to it but trying to change it " vs. “I refuse to change”.

On the choice of change itself: Kill is a bit ambiguous because of the night kill and day kill is unfortunately “taken” by the…day kill.

We should get away from kill altogether if we are trying to be more inclusive and less negative.

Exile/Banish or maybe Sequestered/Jailed etc

[chesskid3]

Slapped w/ a fish

[DS (SFwordsmith.com / https://discord.gg/3NmUdv2)]

@Andresvmb

It might be tiring, but far more educational and maybe even positive to have individual conversations about people’s hidden prejudices when asking them not to use certain language. I don’t know, I’m an old-fashioned believer in discourse as a way to improve upon bad ideas. You can also short-circuit some of that by pointing them to this thread.

Well said

[DS (SFwordsmith.com / https://discord.gg/3NmUdv2)]

My main concern here is over moderation which is something that sites like MU does and it makes the experience unenjoyable.

The change away from lynch doesn’t bother me.

The editing of players posts to put words which they did not say, that is what bothers me.

Next thing we know saying 451rons will get you banned

[DS (SFwordsmith.com / https://discord.gg/3NmUdv2)]

Best bet for the phraseology change is to take the violence out of the act all together. That is the most inclusive which I think is the purpose here.

Probably will need to rethink what Night Kills are called also

[chesskid3]

@DS

over moderation

Here? U wot m8

[chesskid3]

the elo ban was the closest to that and Elli has gone on a world apology tour