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Andres just making himself appear scummy
I donât really like âm451 squadâ sentiment because it makes other people feel like outsiders. I get that a bunch of you are original/long-time/core members but I donât want that to be something you hold above new people (calling them randos etc.).
I still do need to distribute the alpha user flair donât I.
Also we just came up with a system that kinda solves all this (r.e. people playing with people they donât want to play with) thatâs pretty elegant and extendable and weâre working on implementing it now. 
Sorry about that, itâs just me. I love mafia 451 and everyone on it. Usually thereâs a âbutâ but today there is no âbutâ.
I feel that people who join games just to flake are very irresponsible. At least inform the host early that they are no longer interested and need a replacement, thatâs sad but not so bad.
I feel like I cannot trust people outside of people I know and people who are on m451 to not be irresponsible. Every time I host games I am optimistic but it will still turn out the same. They flake. In your words, they are >>>>rand to be less committed to the game. I hate that. I am sorry for voicing this out if it sounds unfriendly and exclusionist but this is a sentiment I do have and I think that we are loving and safe and caring enough that I can voice my opinion here and it is something I do believe right now, even if it is probably negative and not politically correct. And I think that being transparent and honest about thoughts is good for everyone moving forward to solve issues so I will leave this here and maybe we can do something to change this belief or stigma so that we make mafia great on this site.
The thing is, other than Geyde and Zz- no one is inactive. These people just arenât high posters. As Mittens has said before, this is how Sock plays mafia. This is how J$ plays mafia. This is how Tier plays mafia (unfortunately he really does kinda slack when he doesnât get a role heâs interested in).
People play mafia in different ways, and I was hoping that bringing a game that is more of the style that I am familiar with would show a different side of the game that people arenât necessarily familiar with on this site.
Itâs less mechanical and more gut, and sometimes guts can be all over the place.
Nah, I get how you feel. People you have no experience with are a big ? in terms of how committed they are and that sucks.
The first thing would be the set of people who want to play mafia but are just generally low commitment/low effort. Some people are okay with them, some people arenât. The new system weâre coming up with will solve that in the sense that if youâre not okay with it you wonât be in the same game as each other anymore.
Next set are the people who flake/replace out. Itâs super unlikely they come back then. Itâs kinda unfortunate that one game gets ruined but thatâs how the cookie crumbles.
The last set are the people that replace out a bunch and stick around and in for another game and then replace out, etc.etc. Any of you whoâve played on MU and especially MS know the subset of people that do this. The nature of our rules regarding replacements is in particular to make sure that this sort of behavior doesnât happen.
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This is kinda hilarious atm with Mittens being 3rd party survivor and actually not KNOWING who is town and who is scum.
He just told me in pms the team is either Rich and Josh or Andres and Sock. Lmfao
tldr;
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I donât think anyone outside of people who just straight out flake âarenât playing the gameâ. Iâm not going to bear judgement on whatâs good and bad play. Iâd personally be fine with playing with most people here again (Tier probably needs a slower paced game though?) but I totally get if someone doesnât want to play with someone. The reasoning doesnât particularly matter.
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If user A doesnât want to player with user B for whatever reason, weâre rolling out a system that deals with this nicely.
Hopefully it just doesnât turn into a cliquey sort of thing whatever it is
Iâll make a real announcement on this stuff soonish but it can turn cliquey in the sense that:
- If someone hates playing with everyone theyâre not going to get in many games.
- If everyone hates playing with someone theyâre probably not going to get many games.
But I think both of these results are probably desirable for all parties so.
there will be a indicating if you want to play with someone again component but those values will only be visible to admins and will be kept private, and itâll be fairly difficult to back-solve if someone really wants to put effort into it but I donât think people really will.
Not a fan, but whatever
I fundamentally donât think people should have to play with people they dislike playing with, just makes things unpleasant for both parties. 
It makes sense to have some sort of system in place, but tbh, I think there will be challenges when the site already canât really fill a larger set up.
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Ranking people to me is just a really bad idea, but Iâm not going to go back and forth with you on it as it is what it is and youâre gonna do what youâre gonna do.
Andres just eviscerated Mittens in thread holy shit lmfao
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Yeah, Andres defeated and mittens wins if itâs anyone but him.
It wonât effect larger games at the start, rolled out experimentally with a few site run ones.
Eh, youâre not really ranking people. Just making a note of âI donât like playing with themâ or âI really like playing with themâ. Maybe weâll just do like neutral dislike to make it seem less ranky. You have to somehow express to the system that you donât want/really want to play with someone again or it doesnât really work.
Iâm ranking everyone as a 1
And then what
People say they donât like someone and when that person attempts to sign up for a game they are just⌠told no they canât join?
How many mafia players do you think were picked last when playing kickball on the playground Elli?
Nah thatâs not how itâll work.