Mafia 451 Draft

nope

VOTE: Key

Do you care to walk me through your logic here?

Srceenplay protected her n1 according to gtacc

I went back and looked more closely. I think I’m fine with Erika. I don’t understand Wisp beyond wagon dynamics. But then, why try and create Dusk as an alternative instead of piling onto Wisp? That’s the part I don’t get.

I didn’t ask you.

I went into night 2 with a list of 3 people I thought could be scum. The other two I think now COULD be scum but my evidence is more inconclusive and maybe even more town friendly for one.

Key did vote screen, but it was very very late in the cycle and looks like a potential bus.

I’m willing to move my vote elsewhere if I see the need to but uhh it’s stupid af to put 3 votes on DS rn when the mafia can sweep in with 3 more for a kill, and it’s better for me to have my vote somewhere and watch the thread diligently compared to not voting at all rn.

I would argue that this is extremely unlikely. If DS flips Town and there were 3 votes that landed close to each other, then that would be a dead give away about where to look don’t you think? I also think it’s low odds that DS flips Town if I’m being honest. This push from DS onto me would literally never happen if DS was Town. I noticed here and there him trying to discredit some of my arguments (his vote on Dusk at just the time I was trying to rally players onto Srceen, his downplaying of my argument now about role selection to clear Erika for example), but it wasn’t as overt as some of this other nonsense today. And that’s what it is, nonsense. I fully expect to be put into a position where people are going to have to eventually choose between DS and me. And if you’re Town, you might want to think about that.

I could absolutely be wrong about what will happen regarding future votes. But this feels like a last stand, because they know that if DS is flipped and flips Scum, then there’s at least 2 players that absolutely you should trust moving forward (StarV being the other one, in case it wasn’t clear). And they can’t NK us both.

Key did indicate a bit before her vote that she would vote Srceen but didn’t want to rush it. That’s also something to consider.

Andres, no matter how you look at it, it is extremely anti-towny to put someone in the lynch zone when you still have 60+ hours left and not everyone has even talked since last night ended. Not faulting you for your DS vote, but anyone who puts a third vote onto DS this early isn’t playing how I think town should play.

Yeah im not scum though and the fact that you are pushing me as scum with your high ability to read me just indicates to me that you are full of shit. Youve been calling me town all game up until i started pushing you today

None of this is bulletproof right, you make up your own mind. All I’m saying is that I am not overly inclined to lynch Key today or future days (unless things change), but I do believe that there’s definitely better and more obvious targets.

I can absolutely be wrong. And I’m not engaging in this back and forth - you’re trying to lynch me for completely suspect reasons, and are not dealing with any of the more obvious stuff.

Several of Key’s posts to me looked a bit hedgy, sounding like they wanted to get the vote off of screen even after they voted screen. iirc there was one post where key expressed doubt because there weren’t any mafia dissenters to the screen vote. On one hand this is careful town play, on the other hand it’s scumbuddy Key trying to do a last ditch effort of saving screen without it being too obvious
 a weak, but subtle last stand.

Srceenplay pushed me as scum and left a vote on me even when i was gladiatored. Dusk called me town, you’ve called me town, I pushed for a No Lynch when I was gladiatored instead of pushing StarV who I definitely could have pushed to be killed. Like theres no way im scum

3 votes away is not the lynch zone. I completely disagree with that statement. In fact, I think significant pressure there would be extremely useful. That way, you force players to make a choice here that I maintain is fairly obvious.

I dont think I am though. Your reasoning is self serving. You wanting to clear people off of roles is useful for you and I dont think a town!Andres ever pushes this line of thinking without having a purpose for it.

I think you would have more ammunition if Key had landed somewhere else. I understand what you’re saying, but if you’re making this argument, then DS is exactly in the same boat. And I’m telling you, you’re not going to get Key Lynched here, because I can tell there’s very minimal support for it.

It’s too close to the lynch zone for my comfort when not everyone has talked since the day started. Let people have the space to actually talk and claim useful stuff.

Agree to disagree.