M19 Doc 14 Game Thread - Mafia win!

gonna sit on this for the time being

VOTE: EricH

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fire are you gonna join me or

I voted them before you, you nerd

check again nerd

VOTE: Eric
The vote count is biased against me

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But yeah I mean after this I probably go towards Ejji almost regardless of the flip?

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I thought I voted in this post lmao

I can also definitely see an Ejji/Squirrel world, as I mentioned earlier

I think laser/quin/gellnick/cloned are all just L1 villas

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andres is townier than not but I’m not willing to stake the game on the idea he wouldn’t have held a D1 vote on a partner because imo scum are actually more likely to open with votes/pressure on a partner than a townie

I noticed when reading squirrels posts is that one of his reasons for town reading eji was pretty easy to make if they were w/w, noticivly he made a comment on the lack of their agenda iirc with the way they made conflicting thoughts about me in the same post

fwiw (and illwei pointed this out too) I do think the indecisiveness from ejji is a good look

but I also don’t think it’s outside of the range of things they’re skilled enough to think of faking

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This is what I ultimately came to the conclusion of

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also flash

also why I’m not worried if Eric is town
the game feels really easy lmO

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so basically

EricH → Ejji would be my next two flips basically regardless

after that probably the kills will have been you and then me, so we’re looking at a game with

Flash
Squirrel
Aelin
Dwai
gellnick
cloned
laserlab
Andresvmb
Quin

if ejji flipped red and game not over prolly just flip squirrel

if it’s still going then I’d sideye aelin/dwai more than I am rn, same with andres

but the people in the game atp can do their own solving mostly

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@Aelin assuming you’re around, that sound amicable enough to you to break the tie here and vote Eric with us?

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or @Quin

where if gellnick is still alive in that final group of 9 and we’ve whiffed on both Eric and Ejji (so you know by that point fire and I are wrong) you can look at gellnick again?

because rn the tied vote means that a villager basically always dies here unless the scum are exactly eric/gellnick which I personally think is unlikely

Also at this point we are quite frankly past the point of people actively being scummy to the point of not being townie enough compared to the strength of the rest of the game/their play

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Thoughts

is this half a refusal to get ego checked? yes.
so
this starts with eod1 with the wagon on JKBear
andres had been on jk all day so i think this is more relevant towards litten and orange
it… doesnt make sense. the wagon existed because, yes, laser was towny, which i saw on my readup, but by all means swapping to a random wagon shouldve caused a misexe 90% of the time

this doesnt feel right
if i could get some other examples of this tradition i might be a bit more inclined to believe this, but, as it is, it lines up more with “choose target, then make reasoning after”
the addition of the third quote makes this all line up in… well, a single way to me, which is a bus.

you know whats worth more than a 4-posting scum?
a result!clear deepwolf leading the town

this has continued today through orange’s attitude towards me
ive looked at it from different perspectives, and heres what i can figure out:

  1. hes town, and hes trying to help me improve my play in this game - he’s being blunt and trying to ensure i learn my lesson. i dont believe this is true, because orange knows me well enough to know that i can shut down easily when ego-pressed, which wouldnt be conductive to me helping in the game
  2. hes town, and wants me to improve my play in the future - this still doesnt quite make sense, because this would be better done after the game if he wanted to be sure of my alignment before saying im shit in case im not town
  3. hes town, and thinks im scum - he wants me to shut down because he knows me well enough to know that i can shut down easily when ego-pressed - this is what i think is the second most likely scenario, but the issue here is that hes expressed a townread on me
  4. hes town, and just thinks im shit at the game and doesnt care about anything i say and doesnt want me to try and solve anymore this game because im 100% wrong 100% of the time - third most likely
  5. hes scum, and trying to push agenda against me - this also doesnt make sense, because he hasnt been pushing me, although he seemed to consider it with Firekitten at one point, he didnt pursue it
  6. hes scum, and trying to keep me from scumreading him while not having to waste an execution or nightkill on me - this piece makes me the most sense to me because not only does it line up with what hes done, but also how hes acted towards me - his “ego check” has been disjointed and extended, far past any reasonable concise criticism, and it has instead simply disrupted the flow. this could work very well to make me shut down in response to being ego-pressed, which would be entirely optimal for him because not only does it stop me from scumreading him, it also stops me, as a high poster, from trying to lead town. and, today, hes been doing just that, essentially being really the only one deciding anything. i think this is the most likely.

anyway
yeah
VOTE: orangeandblack5
feel free to call me bad, i dont quite care until ive been proven wrong