Yeah. I beleive I do. Im not as confident as you are about the town list. I probably trust litten the most with you and squirrel tied for second. Not sold on GKB.
I still can’t fully wrap my head around the catty situation. It honestly doesnt make sense coming from town or scum. The same with quin picking neighborizer with 1st pick. Makes no sense from either side.
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I have (probably wrong) theory about catty.
I could be an attempt to a) throw off town discussion for the rest of the day b) An attempt for Mafia Catty to try and look like town
the play makes no sense as town so my only idea is that it is a, somewhat unorthodox, mafia play
Im on a flight back to school I’ll be mia for awhile
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n.b. I checked and I think I removed any not-CD-safe words but it’s possible I missed a couple in which case I’m sincerely sorry
A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else’s time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.
I’ve reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.
I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek.
Benefits:
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I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.
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I’m lock clear: All of you already know I’m lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I’ve ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally [i]know[i] that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of
them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not mess up and vote me out. Makes my life super awesome. -
There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a “free” peek of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.
Conclusion:
The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.
Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.
It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.
It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I’m “neutral” or “wolfy.” That is legitimately stupid, and I won’t entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They’re universes apart. That means I wouldn’t DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn’t BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.
Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.
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Yeah, this is where I am leaning. But it is bizarre no matter how you look at it.
Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.
From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions of Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than Bepwei has been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, son.
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you were originally who voted him…
For future reference, not claiming is situational and should not be blindly followed as a rule.
You should claim no role at the beginning of the game when you don’t have useful information because otherwise scum can kill you before getting info.
You ahould claim a role when it helps you catch a scum, stop a townie from being voted out, or if you’re about to be voted off, because otherwise there there is legitimately no point in having a pr.
I assume you mean acop instead of doc?
I don’t see how maf!cat dies this with the rest of her scumteam alive to support her
Imo it’s either sep!cat or town!cat
The main question that I’m trying to figure out is - do I think town cat plays this poorly, or do I think separatist cat basically outs herself?
No offense, I think the former is slightly more likely.
There was suspicion on Catty last night from what I recall
I think that this suspicion makes me think that what Catty is saying today is an attempt to look like town.
I don’t think town would do this or admit to it, at least not until after Arete dies
And if I am right it seems to be working
Sup
Squirrel and Catty are in a thunderdome that I just created now
Intriguing
Do tell
Awhile ago, and I’m really sorry about that.
I’m honestly just so confused by everything that’s happening. I like can’t even form a coherent thought on my opinion on Cat rn.
It’s interesting to ponder how the scum would act if Arete, and scum themselves, didn’t actually have the alignment cop in that scenario. Scum should have been expecting a counter claim…:and oh look here what an interesting post that I have stumbled upon trying desperately to convince the reader that they will vote their scum mate
If we want to be lazy we get cat to visit the motion detector and have doctor on them
If motion detector didn’t exist as a claim I would always kill cat either way.
Actually fuck that we yeet cat
lol