especially if gkb claims vanilla, almost certain vanilla cop is the wrong claim and that some sort of protective is correct
targets being me/andres/urist or me/me/andres makes sense
and claim doctor/healer probably.
honestly Iâm kinda annoyed with this since you were absent from scum planning the entire time and you get to just step in and do what you want without giving any real reasoning. weâre the scum team with a potential win if we get it right with a miracle mislynch and I know thatâs what youâre aiming for. But I also donât really have any ounce of assurance that wutever youâre planning doesnât just backfire and blow up in our faces. based on everything in the thread, I think trying to force all 3 of us living today could easily just out all 3 of us. and youâre asking me to do stuff that is far outside of my town meta, which only adds to my stress, when you could be lessening the burden instead by actually sharing your logic instead of keeping it hidden like you do in your town games.
w/e, I need sleep.
I think that mislynching seth or sunbell is the easier thing to do based on the current thread flow, and vanilla cop makes that more possible, and if gkb actually claims vanilla then it only strengthens that, I donât see how it hurts that.
I donât see the path for gkb to be lynched at this time. I think itâs not the worst mislynch to aim for, but Iâm not seeing the appeal to over sun or seth.
bleh, I donât mind waiting a bit, I get that formulating our shit is easier when we know more, but the more you make me wait, the more you will distort my town meta and both sun and seth prolly will be able to identity the prolonged waiting as a tell.
bleh, I donât see the full appeal to a protective role claim here. I think even claiming that I did the vig shot has a higher chance of working than a protective role claim, and I shouldnât have to say why I think claiming the vig shot itself is risky too. I get the idea that a protective makes sense under the lens of the strong poison so I wonât outright dismiss it, just need more time to mull it over.
sun or seth wonât get lynched
theyâre not voting each other and urist is never voting them.
there is already suspicion of seth from sun; sun has basically called sethâs claim a lie.
high chance town just has no protective and doctor/healer just clears you
nah he doesnât actually suspect him imo
anyway we need 2 town to vote non-metal sonic town, 2 of urist/seth/sun/metal sonic on gkb feels by far the most doable.
youâre literally just repeating yourself with slightly longer sentences without any increased logic.
check out some articles on when someoneâs spent enough hours on some thing you donât think in terms of âlogicâ or concrete things anymore, but just in patterns based on what youâve digested through practice. Iâve been in or thought about similar situations similar archetypes of people several times already.
Itâs the same as when weâre talking when Iâm town. At this point I just rely on game sense/intuition because Iâve done a lot of homework over the years, pattern recognition isnât conscious.
and r.e. planning I donât interfere if the status quo is fine, and tbh this is the first true critical moment other than when star got himself lynched.
tbh do whatever you want, good learning experience either way. Fairly sure my line works more often than not but if you donât wanna no big deal
also urist is still just the vig, heâs just claiming vanilla for now.
me claiming to be a poison healer is already kinda bad given that thereâs been 3 nights and I havenât demonstrably actually saved anyone. sure n1 and the delayed stuff is weird and changes things, but still not exactly confidence inspiring especially when I have no reason not to heal DS or andres on n2, which would have saved the masons. itâs a 50% thing I could blow off, but that 50% compounds heavily upon other nights of failure, raising the odds that I am not a psn healer. Iâd have no excuse to not heal within the masons n2.
I really donât see how any of your arguments coming from you at this point in the game can actually sway people towards gkb more than how their logic is already pointing at phraze (for the low posting equaivalent of gkb) or you (for the incorrect d1 d2 d3 reads).
Like I legitimately think that youâre overvaluing townâs willingness to listen to you. They will listen to metal sonic and/or urist before listening to you. and you yourself seemingly already put metal sonic in the camp of townies not willing to vote gkb.
I think if you want a win, the best option is to create role conflict that creates confusion, then argue for why one of us is more likely to be on the good side of that conflict than the bad. Poison healer as a role doesnât really do that, and you used your tracker in a neutral way that doesnât help us do that either. Me being a doc does provide safety for me only in the short term, not sure it saves phraze and you though.
Prior to the parity cop stuff, I thought bussing you today would be okay but given that phraze and I are under heat and canât roleblock a parity, I do think trying to keep you alive and not bussing is better.
If gkb claims something that isnât vt, sure I can try to claim a good counter, but at this time I think the two parities are just screaming for us to be able to wedge into that wtf and counter something.
AND ALSO you have to realize that we have a town who can send messages to people. Remember the message I got? We have an unidentified vig, an unidified message sender, and I believe sunbellâsvanilla parity cop claim is true too.
I think thereâs a very high chance metal sonic is the message sender, so he probably has already set up steps to make town trust him with his past messages. I think his influence over town just vastly overshadows your influence over town rn. You really should be making sure that you can get him on someone you want him on, rather than trying to pull 2 random townies over who will probably listen to him more than you.
EDIT: Ignore above andres was message sender, my bad I forgot that and youâre right. That does change my evaluation.
andres was the message sender
urist is the vig
you healed andres and scum had poisoned ds, boom masons still dead.
doctor claim will just clear you in their eyes so you win regardless of my fate today.
urist and ms are going to go on me or gkb today
look if you donât want to do it Iâm not going to argue about it anymore. I wonât be upset with whatever option you choose and whatever the result is. Like I said, seeing how your ideas turn out in practice is how we learn so go ahead and try it.
I already addressed this point and youâre not picking up wut Iâm laying down. Itâs a plausible claim to miss a 50/50 coinflip, but coupled with missing the other nightâs coinflips it doesnât inspire confidence but more importantly it doesnât give any validity or proof of my claim. Town recognizes they could be mylo, they are not going to just accept anything willy nilly. Normally town wants to keep a doc alive to save them during the next nights, but with poison known to exist and with mylo in sight, keeping me alive for the next night is kinda useless to town when theyâd rather just lynch scum.
But the biggest thing is it doesnât do anything to increase suspicion on any of our 3 viable targets.
missing a 1/m or 2/m for relatively large player count m isnât a coinflip.
Theyâll eventually accept it.
It does by elimination.
Look, if you disagree with my evaluation of how this particular town will react thereâs not much to talk about, Iâm not going to try and convince you. Iâm going to have nothing new to say other than âyouâre wrongâ and we both know thatâs a waste of time. At this point itâs take it or leave it and you clearly want to leave it so thatâs that. no hard feelings.
I already said - I donât mind if you do what you think is right. Letâs see if it works.