So yeah, I see what you’re saying. But reducing someone else’s argument in your head is something Town does as well. We all take mental shortcuts, and if Dusk feels aggrieved, then he might be discounting some of the nuance contained in your argument. That’s also possible.
Sure, mistakes happen and we can be lazy, but I feel like there’s a point where it becomes excessive and Dusk is past that. The possibility it’s deliberate seems more likely to me at the moment but I’d be interested to hear why people think he’s townie for just that reason.
Anyway, just being devil’s advocate. I still hate the vote on #212. And I do think it’s been consistently downhill since then.
I’ll bbl btw o/
Ok guys can you actually just tell me why I am scummy because honestly I’ve no idea. Like I’ve tried my best to level with you and actually hear your arguments but you literally won’t tell me why you are scumreading me aside from tone or just saying I’m bad etc. Everyone is acting like there’s some obvious tell I can’t see and tbh I’d appreciate if you just told me?
Say I’m pretending or being ignorant or whatever but that is a very big assumption and I genuinely have no idea what people are scumreading me for and it’s making me feel kinda useless to town rn. Can you please just tell me do I have a fair chance to defend myself, because you won’t even do that and I think any town person should be going me that oppurtunity.
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Dusk, I think what you’re doing here is not effective for me because it’s like complaining about how the world is unfair. Look at #704. It’s fairly detailed. It’s not just a general comment about your tone. You need to engage with it more honestly I feel.
#704 is a good place to start, the post even has a very conveniently placed thesis right before the quotes so that you know the point meant to be illustrated is 
i dont know where you got the idea it was a counterargument so actually talking abt that could help see if andres’s point from earlier makes sense
you care too much about being scummy, and you hadn’t really contributed much early despite saying you call people scum a lot and complained about lack of content. Even now your big scumread is just an extension of being called scummy.
What do you think of fuyu?
Ok I’ll go back to that post I guess in a sec but I feel like it’s no really making a statement as to why I’m scummy still, it’s just trying to say why my reads are wrong, when being wrong isn’t scummy imo.
I think I have contributed more than most people in the thread tbh. I think I’ve just actually kinda been unlucky that my biggest scumread scunread’s me first. I’m ngl I know this is often taken as a bad look, and I feel like people aren’t actually reading and noting what I say enough which is what is frustrating me the most. I feel like I’m just being ignored.
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I’ve seen asek act like this as town before so meta wise I think they are better now than before I knew it was asek
Tbh this is actually a fair enough point, and I don’t mind it that much. It’s not a lot to go off atp in the game of course, but it made sense for the early point he said it. I just wish he had been a bit more clear, I tried my best to understand the argument at the time but I just wasn’t told which tilts me. If you want to give someone a fair chance to defend themselves I think you should always try to be clear why they are scummier. It’s a lot better to try solve a slot and see if they are town Vs scum. Up to now I’ve felt like someone smelt a little bit of blood early game and has been trying their best to paint me as scum rather than to effectively read me, which had been frustrating.
Tbf I think if someone is good town, they are usually someone decent scum and vice versa. Sure people have better allignments, but a lot of the traits and knowledge carry over. Imo if someone is good enough at one allignment, they have shown they understand the game enough to be considered a good player. To simultaneously call me good and bad like this is very goading to me, but this whole point I’d probably more a personal thing between me and cheet than a read, because let’s face it wether someone is subjectively good or bad isn’t really ai in most cases.
The better you are at town the harder it is to be good at scum.
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Yeah that was me just pissed off, if he wants to tunnel me go ahead but gtfo and let me try play the game without you being a pain in my back making sly digs needlessly. Though it was probably a bit childish from me tbf.
I havent been dickish except for when youre shitting on my push on you.
Yeah I can agree with that one tbf
It’s mafia we are all dicks sometimes, it’s in the nature of the game for people to get pissed off etc, but idt that really matters anymore rn