I read the wall of posts and I actually liked the content - I found myself agreeing a lot. It’s a bit similar to my style I suppose, but better, less paranoid.
I’ll get to this next.
@Nanook: yeah ok i skimmed through the first couple of pages of that game and i think this is something you do as town so it prob isn’t ai for you to suggest it even though it’s a god-awful idea
yes, that’s why it feels kinda icky i think - like you were undermining/shading his point that you were calling him scummy without voting him
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your english is quite good btw 
you come across as kinda inexperienced, or maybe kinda out-of-it is a good way to describe it? like you’re not really sure what’s going on or what you’re supposed to be doing right now. and you kinda misread some people’s posts. i’m trying to determine if that’s an inexperience-in-general thing or a newb-scum thing, which is why i’m asking you about how you approach mafia.
i think at least part of why you’re being percieved that way stems from how you structure your sentences and your posts - you sometimes give off the effect that you’re not entirely sure what’s going on
i kinda feel like if you were scum here and being voted for that be a bit more … self-conscious maybe? or maybe try to play the newbie card? i’m not really getting those vibes tho - you’re not playing up the newb angle or getting defensive or anything, so i’m tending towards thinking it’s actual confusion and clueslessness from you here, and not scum-playing-ditz-to-escape-suspicion
i don’t particularly like the votes on you right now since i don’t think you’ve actually really done much scummy
like mantis’s vote on you is kinda meh - 189-191 kinda seems like he was waiting for someone to give him something to push and when urist named you, he decided to vote there
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(aside i’m finding the lack of pagination to be mildly frustrating)
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@Andresvmb: this feels kinda defensive tbh
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@urist: i remembered at some point today that in the game i played with him like a year ago he was a vt and fake-claimed cop iirc and i’m pretty sure he faked a guilty (or an inno? i don’t remember which) but his result either way was super unbelievable and i mislynched him for it.
so basically i don’t believe this but it’s def soemthing that i think he could/would do as town; i don’t know if it’s in his scumrange to fake guilties like that
i also think that it’s basically a distraction at this point because nobody really thinks it’s real so unless people think it has some bearing on his alignment idk if this is a super useful topic of conversation either way
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@Andresvmb: welp, spoke too soon
a) i don’t think the claim is real and i think you’re taking it too seriously
b) wrt cats’ alignment: i don’t think we can conclude that she’s town. if screen’s town he doesn’t know her alignment if the claim is fake, and if he’s scum, i agree that he prob doesn’t tie himself to his partner by inno’ing her; i think the most reasonable conclusion is that they probably aren’t svs
c) where do you get the vibe that he’s not a high-risk-high-reward kind of player? that’s pretty much exactly my vibe of him. (or, more perhaps more accurately, i think he just doesn’t really care about the consequences of what he does or how he’s percieved)
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@Nanook: this kinda pings me the wrong way; idk if i can articulate why tho. it feels like you’re like almost overemphasizing your point with the sarcasm and like trying to draw attention back to the excuse thing? like you want to make this into a talking point again? that doesn’t explain it super well i think but i’m not sure how to explain it better
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@actiondan: why pl worthy?
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lolololol ok
@catspurr: yeah this isn’t a thing
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@catspurr: i don’t understand why you’re voting nanook here
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@Andresvmb: not entirely following this thought-process - earlier as far as i can tell ur conclusion on all of this is that: a) screen, if town, was telling the truth regarding the claim and that cats was thus town and b) screen, if scum, wouldn’t claim a guilty on his partner and c) town!screen is unlikely to fake this
and that cats was therefore probably town
so i’m not sure why you’re voting for cats here because you’re confused by screen’s claim
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huh, this is a good point actually
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@Srceenplay: i think that his ‘you were looking for an excuse to move your vote’ is kinda meh and that he’s over-focusing on a word choice and like trying to make it into a thing when i don’t really think it’s ai
i don’t think that pointing out that scum might fake miller is shading tho; i’ve seen scum do that before and it’s a reasonable concern to have imo
(cough boon cough)
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eh let’s do this i think
VOTE: catspurr
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(also sorry for the walls; that’s kinda my style; i do my best to keep them readable tho)
I was working on a post with my lean on various players, and I realized that it had a lot of holes, so I will share what I think is most relevant. My Town leans are this group: {Skitter, Urist, ActionDan, AKFD, and Parsec}. I would at this stage stay away from voting amongst this group of players. I have explained the reasoning on Skitter (#329), Urist and ActionDan appear to me to be trying to sort out the game and are explaining what they are seeing in a way I can follow, AKFD I am getting newbie Town vibes from (Skitter actually makes a very valid point, and something I used as Scum, which is to defuse pressure by mentioning that I was new to the game), and Parsec (mostly due to the fact that Parsec claimed Miller and has not faced a CC). I think there’s enough content to get some sort of initial read on Mantis and Nanook, I just have not completed the work yet.
Cats I think I am most confused by, so I will do a re-read.
Srceenplay I am leaning negatively on due to the fake-claim. The way he went about it did not strike me as pro-Town. Metal Sonic I have a slight negative lean on, but not much to say since there’s also not much to go by, beyond the unexplained vote on Urist. In a prior game that we played together were Metal Sonic was Town, he seemed to be a little more engaged (and creative). I am seeing none of that here.
I am neutral on _ffery and Josh. _ffery, I am looking at you in particular to help us sort out what is happening and share more of your thoughts, because you have been largely absent.
Well, thanks!
Yes, I’m a newbie. And I lack previous game hints.
I also don’t understand catspurr’s Nook vote.
Not voting yet.
I was going for sarcastic, but defensive is fair as well. Look, I don’t mind being criticized for the actual thoughts, or called out on stuff that does not make sense. I do not have a wealth of experience, so you should expect to see me make mistakes. But my writing style is what it is. So I don’t appreciate being attacked for the way that I share my thoughts, or for how I “approach the game”. What does that mean, anyway? It’s a line of attack I would expect Scum to use - shade people not for the content of their posts or the reasoning behind them (or even overall tone, which is how I got caught last game), but some vague stuff that is impossible to argue against (but looks like an argument).
Haha yeah, probably. The one time I have seen Srceenplay (partly) fake-claim, it was slightly different. He just said that he might have an investigative result to disclose, only to backtrack and say that he didn’t (which drew the ire of other players, but actually yielded useful information [incidentally, about me]). Here, he has doubled-down, though as Urist pointed out, partly in a way that it makes it obvious that he is probably lying about it. I am examining it closely because I have a different feel for it - it feels less of a gambit to help Town. Again, Urist is right (and a version of what he put down crossed my mind). The players most likely to be skeptical of Srceenplay’s claim early are also the most likely to have some sort of power that can be used at Night, which they did not get to use N0. Cop would be an example. It might have been specific to Cop, but you can easily extend this to similarly-flavored roles.
To be succinct, I agree. I think I was trying to get at this - I just was not as clear.
I actually saw a much more careful version of him last game we played. Maybe it was the ending, but the fact that he weighed his options carefully during the last few days in Flip Flappers might be skewing my view. If he has outright fake-claimed before and gotten mislynched for it, then that would fly in the face of what I said earlier.
I believe you might have missed #261 and #292. In any case, I have pulled my vote back because I am just not sure, and need to think about it some more.
That’s it from me today. Will be back tomorrow (in real time).
VOTE: urist
You should try harder.
UNVOTE: akfd
Why?
Why do you think cats voted for Nanook? Walk me through your thought process and tell me where you’re getting stuck.
Read his posts relating to it again. I can’t explain why he did it, but it’s clear he’s being disingenuous.
I don’t talk like that.
Also, I would only ever fake claim for a reason, whether you agree with that reason or not—if I ever do it for no apparent reason, lynch me on the spot.
I understood the town purpose/utility of a fake claim in flip flappers. I don’t here, except maybe as bait to get a real cop to reveal. Hence my willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt at first glance, before it became obvious he was full of shit.
Again, you are the one who asked for a cc.
I don’t generally trust claims immediately and without question. Some would say this is just responsible town play—others without imagination might say differently.
Well…yeah, I was undermining that point by pointing out the absurdity of it, lol. It’s ridiculous to say someone can’t think one thing is scummy while thinking another is even scummier. Like, can I only have one scumread at a time? That’s just…silly.
This doesn’t make sense to me, but if you can try to articulate it better, I’ll try to respond to it.