Well are you willing to vote for Dan today?
No I think he and TN are cleared so itâs you or Andres if anything
So youâre telling me to pressure Andres. Which doesnât make any sense because chances are that if I get lynched, heâs next up anyway.
No you deducted that
I have no idea what youâre trying to say then. Youâve made it abundantly clear that youâre not even willing to entertain the idea of AD or tn being scum. That leaves Andres and yourself. Are you asking me to pressure you so that you can out yourself?
I think Josh had me as Town entirely based on my vote against Star and my overall play, and I really doubt that I was checked. You do have to admit that if Iâm Scum, Iâve narrowed my potential lynches considerably throughout the game, which I just wouldnât do if Iâm Scum.
Iâm rather disappointed that you consistently insist that this isnât my Town game, which is why Iâm in all likelihood going to vote for you. Weâve played enough where I think you should be able to read me correctly, and you just arenât here.
The vote today in my mind is between you and Dusk, and I strongly TR Dusk. I think the soft of TN is too strong for me to ignore, and the way that Josh set up Dan makes me think that he also checked Dan. I feel like if he had checked someone else, then he would have just set that person up and left Dan in the lynch pool.
Also, why would Josh check me (when I was on the StarV wagon) over someone else that wasnât? Remember, I could have created a situation where Chess gets lynched. I went against Star instead. And I know Josh strongly disputed that this could have happened, but the votes were there.
Also I think this overall attitude of just dismissing Danâs posts as âbadâ is Scummy. Heâs trying to take shortcuts to push against Dan and Iâm not buying it.
I think this is rich since itâs what you are also doing. And frankly, itâs what we should be doing. Not trying to figure out what Josh meant as the Cop would just be negligence.
Wait, didnât you try this already? And what about my behavior towards the DS wagon? I said it made sense mechanically, but I actually came out and said that DSâ posts were Towny. Whatâs the issue?
Dusk has been Townier than you. Unless you are suggesting that he bussed his Partner consistently and throughout D1, when you werenât even on the wagon and voting TN.
VOTE: urist
Are we sure about this?
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My ranking is a bit like this:
Strongly TR
{Dusk, TN} - TN primarily because of the softed check, which seems to be what we all agree happened. In any case, I am delegating the read here to Josh a bit.
Lean Town
{ActionDan} - Overall, I am having trouble reading AD here, but I am going to lean on my conclusion that Josh checked Dan.
Lynch
{Urist} - Both by PoE and gameplay, I think this is correct. I know my own alignment, so Urist pushing me here sort of confirms to me that this is the right play. If you really think I am Scum here then thereâs a few things you need to explain.
youâre only scum here if urist flips town
Ok well I reread Dusk/Andres D1 and particularly the interactions with StarV. When I look for busing potential I look for a couple of factors. The most common are people that have stronger convictions than their argument or pressure warrants. The only one this would apply to is Dusk but his posts, while being akin to a dog that bites and doesnât let go, are mostly appropriate scaling conviction with their discourse. I do think the early suspicion on StarV was a bit more sudden then what I might expect but itâs within reason and after that posts flowed naturally. In particular I donât think post #592 looks like a Scum on Scum interaction (especially the 1st paragraph).
Less common (because it usually doesnât achieve too much) are weaker buses that are done where the vote looks like an afterthought or a reluctant one. That might fit AndrĂ©s. I canât entirely discount it either. The transformation from StarV looks weakly town to just neutral to not worth saving from a lynch is a mild read change on the surface despite some of the decently strong pressure Andres offered against StarV throughout that time period. That said Andres has a very cautious playstyle and this narrative does fit cautious town that would be reluctant to reassess an early read (thatâs just the human psyche at work). Some posts like #346 4th paragraph donât look like buses (others you can make arguments for). And a post like #391 seems like a lot of effort to go through for trying to âdeduceâ a scum partnerâs fake perspective (or care about it).
Any other way to look for buses always involves seeing wether the action of busing might reap town credit one day but I canât find any particular posts from either that would on the surface extract that. Aside from AndrĂ©s 4th vote on the wagon, but the reason for that is understandable enough.
As for Uristâs arguments lately I suppose I just donât care for them naturally, but I really donât see his absolute conviction on Andres/Dusk being the cop targets having merit when 1) Thereâs scant evidence to support either and 2) while I do think there is ambiguity in my case, because of josh feeling saying my play was scummy multiple times to appease people imo, but I think there isnât much ambiguity in tnâs case.
I donât see myself voting AndrĂ©s/Dusk so Iâll leave it at this.
VOTE: Urist
Urist is dead, he was town.
Send night actions.
DO NOT VOTE YET.
Clearly any work being done to try and figure out what Josh was doing was worthless. Iâm going to reevaluate the whole game and make an informed choice. I understand that it might not be up to me since it seems mechanically that Iâm the lynch here. But it loses us the game.
Iâm also very confused as to the NK, but I wonât speculate about that.
Fuck me I didnât want to be in this situation. I think TN was obviously one of the clears anyways and we donât have any cop work to go on regardless. Tbh Iâm feeling like we might have to just go with Dan dmtoday because assuming Josh sifting him was definitely a stretch, and there is also the logic that Josh was pulling off a gambit to see if Dan would be the only person to know that Dan isnât cop.
Only thing that concerns me is Andres association with starv D1 Iâll have to read back on but I think players who have played with Andres before said he was towny on meta, so I may have to just sheep Josh on a townread for Andres here.